Message from @ola
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Sure.
Jung presents a case for religion as objectively superior to purely rationalistic systems when it comes to understanding, integrating, and making whole the collective subconscious and its respective contents within the individual. In short, our subconscious speaks in highly "irrational", symbolic processes, and modern intellectualism badly fails when it comes to managing and treating pathologies of this subconscious. Religion, however, does not, due to its in innately symbolic nature, and consequent affinity with subconscious processes.
The book is not derived from clinical experience, as far as I can tell. The majority of the book revolves around analysing psychological commonalities between different cultures, religions and mythologies, and using it to synthesize and explain archetypes and their meaning in our dreams / imagination. It does so in a manner of objective comparison of motifs and themes. The definition of science here seems unimportant to me. The method of enquiry is effective.
Though it is a topic I haven't yet seen Jung speak much on, I don't believe he at all attempts to refute evolution, but rather employs it as part of the puzzle to understanding the utility and value of religion in the psychic experience of the modern individual. Not to mention the psychic health of an entire nation.
Of course this does not excuse the shortcomings of religion, by which Harris is quite right.
Sam doesn't dispute that. The thing is: you don't need to think God is watching you from the sky to get those benefits. You can just listen to your unconscious and to mithology.
I think you underestimate how sophisticated and deep your subconscious is. It's not something you simply decide to fix.
I didnt say that
Not even close
What benefits are you referring to then?
Being moraly good for example
Regardless I didn't come here to debate, just wanted to rec the book lol 😭
It's fun to discuss this. I'm also a big fan of archetypes.
Meh - anyone/ anything that is ‘looking to’ reconcile will reconcile any ideas.
Jung complaining that his grandchildren steal his hat.
https://youtu.be/2AMu-G51yTY
@everyone we are meeting at 6pm eastern to discuss the intro and first chapter!
@m.miller I will be a few minutes late chiming in but I will be listening in the meantime. Just going to be clocking in and all that good stuff. 😊
sounds good 😉
Oh. Oops. I think I got my conversions wrong. I'm an hour early for book club! I am such a swot.
Hi guys, do you have any favorite novels that you could recommend to others?
my favorite fiction is a collection of short stories called Praying Drunk by Kyle Minor.
Never heard of it/him but a quick Googlebooks preview peek makes me want to read the collection in full. 👍
@m.miller thanks, the preview sounds interesting , just downloaded it 👍
@everyone we are on in ten!! Bring a beverage and your notes!!
Notes? Oh bejayzuz. My dog ate them
you dont need notes but i thought some people might have them lol
@everyone i'm opening the room
This is the book club chat, not the circumcision one 🙊
But as you're here, evolution tolerates plenty of "design flaws" including the inherent danger to mother and child of pregnancy and childbirth. I mean, are you kidding me?
@ola 😂😂😂
I imagine it's a bit more complex than that 🤔
Than what?
Whether a physiological characteristic (like childbirth) is purely a flaw. I imagine a great number of variables contributed to developing each characteristic. Perhaps carrying the child in the womb is necessary due to the especially long time we take to grow. It may also be more effective in protecting the baby in a nomadic tribe group context, as opposed to laying eggs. Idk 🧐
Ah. To explain, I was replying to Tom's citation of a quote by Dr Guest that says: gosh my penis is so damn perfect and it is literally the most important thing on this planet. (I paraphrase).
@everyone we are meeting at 6pm eastern tomorrow to discuss chapter 2 of the moral landscape.
@everyone book club at 6pm Eastern today
Just revising now...
Lol same
Lets dedicate two weeks to chapter two. There's a lot in there. @everyone