Message from @Delta

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2020-08-30 02:59:39 UTC  

What?

2020-08-30 02:59:59 UTC  

No I’m saying the study might not have been measuring what it thought it was measuring

2020-08-30 03:00:18 UTC  

It might have been measuring classism more than racism

2020-08-30 03:01:01 UTC  

^

2020-08-30 03:02:59 UTC  

Delta you’re right

2020-08-30 03:03:13 UTC  

The study was intended to show a racial bias

2020-08-30 03:04:03 UTC  

But if you read the study completely, like you stated names like Jefferson and Washington were not discriminated against even when they were surnames of black people

2020-08-30 03:04:26 UTC  

And traditionally black surnames

2020-08-30 03:04:28 UTC  

first, those issues are definitely very interrelated. second, there might be some poor white boys named "Tyrone" but I expect they are much fewer and far between than black boys. It's not immediately obvious to me that the being named "tyrone" is at all corralled with being poor, however it is correlated with being black.

2020-08-30 03:04:55 UTC  

Squid can you link the study

2020-08-30 03:05:04 UTC  

I wanna take a look at it again

2020-08-30 03:05:14 UTC  

You’re missing my point completely

2020-08-30 03:05:23 UTC  

I don’t think you get what delta is saying

2020-08-30 03:05:23 UTC  

A name like Clyde or Kyle

2020-08-30 03:05:35 UTC  

for the study to truly have been measuring class and not race, you would need to demonstrate that there is a correlation between being poor and being named "tyrone" or the like

2020-08-30 03:05:38 UTC  

Would be associated with being a redneck presumably

2020-08-30 03:05:55 UTC  

I’m not making the claim. I don’t have to demonstrate anything

2020-08-30 03:06:05 UTC  

I’m poking holes in the claim of the study and yourself

2020-08-30 03:06:05 UTC  

it seemed to me that you were

2020-08-30 03:06:16 UTC  

I’m offering up a reasonable alternative

2020-08-30 03:06:20 UTC  

Okay

2020-08-30 03:06:23 UTC  

no, you made a claim that the methodology was faulty

2020-08-30 03:06:46 UTC  

I said I wasn’t sure the methodology wasn’t faulty

2020-08-30 03:06:52 UTC  

your alternative is only reasonable if you can demonstrate it

2020-08-30 03:07:13 UTC  

A name like Clyde or Kyle is basically white. Also associated with being poor or being a redneck.

2020-08-30 03:07:26 UTC  

He’s not giving an alternative

2020-08-30 03:07:38 UTC  

He’s saying how the study has nothing to do with race

2020-08-30 03:07:45 UTC  

It has to do with peoples name

2020-08-30 03:07:51 UTC  

I’d be curious to see if that may effect and employers decision

2020-08-30 03:08:14 UTC  

here is a link to it I believe

2020-08-30 03:08:22 UTC  

But we don’t have the poverty-control. So now I think we can’t conclude ether the study was measuring race or class bias

2020-08-30 03:08:36 UTC  

yes it does have to do with people

2020-08-30 03:08:48 UTC  

's names. And people's names have to do do with their culture and race

2020-08-30 03:08:58 UTC  

these are not completely independent category

2020-08-30 03:09:06 UTC  

Yeah

2020-08-30 03:09:23 UTC  

But race isn’t a culture

2020-08-30 03:09:39 UTC  

You could say the study is measuring how a culture is judged

2020-08-30 03:09:40 UTC  

but the studies controlled for applicants with equal qualificants

2020-08-30 03:09:44 UTC  

Like Tyrone is an urban name

2020-08-30 03:09:55 UTC  

The company might judge urban culture