racism would be hard to isolate and prove with an exact level of precision, because at the end of the day you can only measure what people do, not why they did it or what was going on in their heads

Also note: black individuals in America are the richest of any group of black people in the world

yes, what I mean is I would expect a random white person in poverty if drawn out of a hat to be just as a likely as a random black person in poverty of having the "black sounding" name

I’d put my money into he dies if u picked a poor or tube sounding name associated with Whit epeople you might get a similar result

What?

No I’m saying the study might not have been measuring what it thought it was measuring

It might have been measuring classism more than racism

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Delta you’re right

The study was intended to show a racial bias

But if you read the study completely, like you stated names like Jefferson and Washington were not discriminated against even when they were surnames of black people

And traditionally black surnames

first, those issues are definitely very interrelated. second, there might be some poor white boys named "Tyrone" but I expect they are much fewer and far between than black boys. It's not immediately obvious to me that the being named "tyrone" is at all corralled with being poor, however it is correlated with being black.

Squid can you link the study

I wanna take a look at it again

You’re missing my point completely

I don’t think you get what delta is saying

A name like Clyde or Kyle

for the study to truly have been measuring class and not race, you would need to demonstrate that there is a correlation between being poor and being named "tyrone" or the like

Would be associated with being a redneck presumably

I’m not making the claim. I don’t have to demonstrate anything

I’m poking holes in the claim of the study and yourself

it seemed to me that you were

I’m offering up a reasonable alternative

Okay

no, you made a claim that the methodology was faulty

I said I wasn’t sure the methodology wasn’t faulty

your alternative is only reasonable if you can demonstrate it

A name like Clyde or Kyle is basically white. Also associated with being poor or being a redneck.

He’s not giving an alternative

He’s saying how the study has nothing to do with race

It has to do with peoples name

I’d be curious to see if that may effect and employers decision

here is a link to it I believe

https://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/minorities-who-whiten-job-resumes-get-more-interviews

But we don’t have the poverty-control. So now I think we can’t conclude ether the study was measuring race or class bias

yes it does have to do with people

's names. And people's names have to do do with their culture and race

these are not completely independent category

Yeah

But race isn’t a culture