but yeah the headline is clickbait lol

for sure

Dawkins complained to The Times.

The quote isn't might or would, btw, its "may". FWIW.

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3194801/

Maximize wellbeing for yourself and those around you. We can measure wellbeing. @everyone

How can we measure wellbeing

The scientific method.

That's not a valid answer

Lol

How do you measure wellbeing with the scientific method?

You could say that in response to a question about how we can measure anything...

You need to read the moral landscape. We can make a scientific, objective claim that chopping someone's head off is bad for their wellbeing.

Is in to ought

Then what about people who choose to commit suicide

That becomes their epitome of pleasure.

I deal with this in my new book.

what if someone has a distorted idea of what wellbeing is

Yeah what are the parameters of your measurement. Are we talking extraversion v nueroticism? Are we using other psychometric parameters. What tests are we using? T tests? ANOVA testing? Is it reliable in a test-restest setting?

then they shouldn't attempt to maximize wellbeing for themself or others

That's why we rely on the scientific method. No room for distortion.

It either is or isn't.

But you're making the claim that someone dying is bad for their wellbeing, yet people regularly decide for themselves that what's better is to not live

Whether or not someone * is * abiding by the scientific method doesn't mean they aren't going to feel like they are

No. Wellbeing is decided by the scientific method. You cannot be well if you are dead.

You can still decide against it.

and act on what they feel is the conclusion they arrived at via the scientific method

But it would be antithetical to your wellbeing.

It is not difficult to measure

If you decide that being is bad, then you're not well by being

And many people decide that

well..right. So what do we do? The worldview just says 'maximize wellbeing' and im an idiot and i tried to use the scientific method and the conclusion i arrived at was 'go around smacking people in the face'

Depression is a clinically diagnosed mental illness. So if you're endorsing a suicidal ideation, you're not really well by a psychological perspective.

Gotta go.
Was hoping for a better argument from wellbeing.
Looking forward to your book Pangburn

@matthew widen later dude!! it was great to have you! stop by again!

This is an interesting thought experiment, but I'd be very curious to know of a single time in history where war ever maximizes well-being

I gotta go guys

But it's been a good conversation

Have a good day!!