Message from @21tagtmeiern

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2018-08-04 02:14:39 UTC  

Immigration lowers wages

2018-08-04 02:14:57 UTC  

especially when most studies say there is no causation here

2018-08-04 02:15:37 UTC  

even conservative immigration scholars (e.g. George Borjas) haven't found that high-skilled immigration is bad for wages

2018-08-04 02:15:40 UTC  

Immigrant workers work for less, it lowers wages.

2018-08-04 02:15:45 UTC  

It cant get any more simple that that

2018-08-04 02:15:53 UTC  

it's not that simple tho

2018-08-04 02:16:14 UTC  

Alright, let's assume immigration improves wages

2018-08-04 02:16:15 UTC  

So what?

2018-08-04 02:16:18 UTC  

demand --> economic growth --> better wages

2018-08-04 02:16:27 UTC  

So what?

2018-08-04 02:16:39 UTC  

Is slight economic growth really worth a destroyed society?

2018-08-04 02:16:42 UTC  

so breitbart made a headline without backing it up

2018-08-04 02:16:46 UTC  

gtg

2018-08-04 02:17:15 UTC  

Even if strict immigration hurt the economy (which it dosent) it should be enforced

2018-08-04 02:17:16 UTC  

are y'all talking about illegal immigrtaion

2018-08-04 02:17:34 UTC  

da

2018-08-04 02:19:23 UTC  

Preservation of a country's nationality should be priority, it improves the economy, even if it were to hurt the economy, which in no case does it do that, it should still be done.

2018-08-04 02:20:52 UTC  

illegals help growth therefore the economy is improved.

2018-08-04 02:20:54 UTC  

yeah great logic

2018-08-04 02:20:59 UTC  

fuck those homeless natives

2018-08-04 15:39:08 UTC  

no we're not talking about illegal immigration

2018-08-04 15:39:16 UTC  

that's separate

2018-08-04 15:39:25 UTC  

from high-skilled legal immigration

2018-08-04 15:39:57 UTC  

which studies show has a positive effect on the economy, innovation, the deficit, and more

2018-08-04 16:19:31 UTC  

the same logic still applies

2018-08-04 18:27:04 UTC  

That high skill immigration doesn’t have a positive effect on the country we pouched the talent from. Those people should stay in their home country and make it great. Stealing all the high end people from the rest of the world isn’t ethical.

2018-08-04 18:28:19 UTC  

brain drain is a problem but we have high-skill work shortages so that takes priority

2018-08-04 18:49:20 UTC  

I'd argue otherwise to the point of high-skill work shortages. When it comes to high skill there are usually enough native-borns who can occupy it, but are not able to not only because of programs such as affirmative action but for other reasons such as how tightly employers hire now (the type of degree/years of study being raised higher). When speaking of western countries, native-born citizens statistically have the intelligence/skill capacity to do such labor. In regards to how fit they are/how fit they present themselves, that's a matter of culture (not just entertainment and lifestyle but things such as the cost of housing, of getting that PhD required to do a job someone with a bachelors, an associates, and even a high school diploma can do

2018-08-04 18:50:04 UTC  

also, shortages are good as they mean there is a demand for workers. Take a look at the medical field and how almost a decade ago they went around saying they need more nurses, and look how quickly that filled up.

2018-08-04 20:57:35 UTC  

@David "Gaben" Cameron by the time natives can plug a skill shortage they've already imported too many foreigners for it to make sense to become trained in that field

2018-08-04 20:57:50 UTC  

Basically every programming or engineering job in the USA for instance

2018-08-04 20:58:07 UTC  

There is no shortage, they have to legally put job ads online but then get an H1B

2018-08-04 20:58:58 UTC  

true. I was speaking in the hypothetical situation where non-US citizens can come over to work whenever, however

2018-08-04 20:59:22 UTC  

Not only that but most high skill jobs aren't really a good choice for natives

2018-08-04 20:59:36 UTC  

Engineering and computer science really isn't worth the pay

2018-08-04 20:59:37 UTC  

Example?

2018-08-04 20:59:43 UTC  

Roosh did articles on it

2018-08-04 20:59:50 UTC  

He thinks most STEM jobs are a waste of time

2018-08-04 21:00:57 UTC  

Obviously you will be paid more in STEM but your quality of life could be far greater in things like teaching, writing, digital nomad type stuff, things that give you free time

2018-08-04 21:01:29 UTC  

especially because of how tax rates work, if you make more, you get taxed a higher percentage of it