Message from @21tagtmeiern
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Immigration lowers wages
especially when most studies say there is no causation here
even conservative immigration scholars (e.g. George Borjas) haven't found that high-skilled immigration is bad for wages
Immigrant workers work for less, it lowers wages.
It cant get any more simple that that
it's not that simple tho
Alright, let's assume immigration improves wages
So what?
demand --> economic growth --> better wages
So what?
Is slight economic growth really worth a destroyed society?
so breitbart made a headline without backing it up
gtg
Even if strict immigration hurt the economy (which it dosent) it should be enforced
are y'all talking about illegal immigrtaion
da
Preservation of a country's nationality should be priority, it improves the economy, even if it were to hurt the economy, which in no case does it do that, it should still be done.
illegals help growth therefore the economy is improved.
yeah great logic
fuck those homeless natives
that's separate
from high-skilled legal immigration
which studies show has a positive effect on the economy, innovation, the deficit, and more
the same logic still applies
That high skill immigration doesn’t have a positive effect on the country we pouched the talent from. Those people should stay in their home country and make it great. Stealing all the high end people from the rest of the world isn’t ethical.
brain drain is a problem but we have high-skill work shortages so that takes priority
I'd argue otherwise to the point of high-skill work shortages. When it comes to high skill there are usually enough native-borns who can occupy it, but are not able to not only because of programs such as affirmative action but for other reasons such as how tightly employers hire now (the type of degree/years of study being raised higher). When speaking of western countries, native-born citizens statistically have the intelligence/skill capacity to do such labor. In regards to how fit they are/how fit they present themselves, that's a matter of culture (not just entertainment and lifestyle but things such as the cost of housing, of getting that PhD required to do a job someone with a bachelors, an associates, and even a high school diploma can do
also, shortages are good as they mean there is a demand for workers. Take a look at the medical field and how almost a decade ago they went around saying they need more nurses, and look how quickly that filled up.
@David "Gaben" Cameron by the time natives can plug a skill shortage they've already imported too many foreigners for it to make sense to become trained in that field
Basically every programming or engineering job in the USA for instance
There is no shortage, they have to legally put job ads online but then get an H1B
true. I was speaking in the hypothetical situation where non-US citizens can come over to work whenever, however
Not only that but most high skill jobs aren't really a good choice for natives
Engineering and computer science really isn't worth the pay
Example?
Roosh did articles on it
He thinks most STEM jobs are a waste of time
Obviously you will be paid more in STEM but your quality of life could be far greater in things like teaching, writing, digital nomad type stuff, things that give you free time
especially because of how tax rates work, if you make more, you get taxed a higher percentage of it