Message from @David "Gaben" Cameron
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That high skill immigration doesn’t have a positive effect on the country we pouched the talent from. Those people should stay in their home country and make it great. Stealing all the high end people from the rest of the world isn’t ethical.
brain drain is a problem but we have high-skill work shortages so that takes priority
I'd argue otherwise to the point of high-skill work shortages. When it comes to high skill there are usually enough native-borns who can occupy it, but are not able to not only because of programs such as affirmative action but for other reasons such as how tightly employers hire now (the type of degree/years of study being raised higher). When speaking of western countries, native-born citizens statistically have the intelligence/skill capacity to do such labor. In regards to how fit they are/how fit they present themselves, that's a matter of culture (not just entertainment and lifestyle but things such as the cost of housing, of getting that PhD required to do a job someone with a bachelors, an associates, and even a high school diploma can do
also, shortages are good as they mean there is a demand for workers. Take a look at the medical field and how almost a decade ago they went around saying they need more nurses, and look how quickly that filled up.
@David "Gaben" Cameron by the time natives can plug a skill shortage they've already imported too many foreigners for it to make sense to become trained in that field
Basically every programming or engineering job in the USA for instance
There is no shortage, they have to legally put job ads online but then get an H1B
true. I was speaking in the hypothetical situation where non-US citizens can come over to work whenever, however
Not only that but most high skill jobs aren't really a good choice for natives
Engineering and computer science really isn't worth the pay
Example?
Roosh did articles on it
He thinks most STEM jobs are a waste of time
Obviously you will be paid more in STEM but your quality of life could be far greater in things like teaching, writing, digital nomad type stuff, things that give you free time
especially because of how tax rates work, if you make more, you get taxed a higher percentage of it
In regards to the current state of things, I understand. College tuition, housing prices, and tax rates do make a career in high skill trades such as engineering and computer science a difficult choice if one is not adept to it.
However, that does not make it ideal or necessary to discourage natives from persuing high-skill careers.
I'm saying the US Gov and private companies have discouraged us from doing so
Neither importing labor and approaching the heirarchy of labor with a state of mind that puts the industry, the corporation, the global market, before the nation's people
The economy in the US (maybe more in the UK because of your tax rates) basically disincentivizes working hard
That's where culture comes in. Even with a skimming glance at history one can see ambition driving western culture up until the mid-twentieth century.
Well yeah but you incentivize it
Then after that economic prosperity and social movements and cultural shifts throughout the 50's-2000's encouraged a lull
My life would not be that much better if I were a multi-millionaire than if I were in my current situation
just a product of the times
How does that factor in into incentification or working hard? Working hard is one of those virtues that's pointless if there is no greater goal behind it, as is prosperity.
Because most things that generate wealth don't make the world better today
When I talk about putting natives first, I'm talking about strengthening the nation (the greater tribe, as it were) as a whole. Strengthening as in greater social cohesion through greater trust and more homogenous communities rather than atomized clusters of people living close to each other in the same place.
In regards to wealth, what good is it if it isn't put into use? Historically speaking, the upper classes used their wealth to build marvels, comission feats of cultural wonder and propel their civilizaiton forward. The nuveau riche we have as millionaries today have no sense of that same responsibility or pride in one's people or land. Unfortunately, there is this culture where the rich or the aspiring to be rich wish to head off to the bahammas and give away all their money to charity, leaving nothing for those at home or their children to inherit.
Hard work is a product of having a purpose, having something to struggle for. And in today's culture where the institutions are pushing for a more globalized society, what they provide to incentivize and give purpose to life is simply temporal bliss and living for the moment and for the self. Take, for example, charity. Many charities today embody nothing more than selfish selflessness: money goes elsewhere and not back into the neighborhood, the county, or the state, or the community, but elsewhere or to a bracket so specified yet general enough that the benefits are barely felt in the local population. Charity is not a one-way interaction, but a two way. In return for giving away wealth and resources, the giver recieves a sense of a higher moral status in his or her community, even though they have--in general--contributed little to the community itself
long gone are the days where wealthy families rewarded the communities that labored for them, and long gone are the old rich who had a connection to those who worked for them. But alas, I am soapboxing. But this is where I am coming from when I speak about reserving local jobs for local workers. It restores integrity and trust in the community, and naturally creates bonds among those living in the community rather than through weak methods like socials and cookouts that I see many communities try to do.
@David "Gaben" Cameron I agree.
@iwantfun what happened with hillary server shtick?
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Another server was "revealed"
The dems were covering for her
Corruption
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