Message from @Bogatyr Bogumir

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2018-12-21 16:12:20 UTC  

some are

2018-12-21 16:12:24 UTC  

some aren't

2018-12-21 16:12:28 UTC  

ain't hard to grasp

2018-12-21 16:55:21 UTC  

Studies have shown that illegal immigration does not cause more crime or even less crime. A lot of the time, people illegally immigrant to ESCAPE crime. https://www.npr.org/2018/05/02/607652253/studies-say-illegal-immigration-does-not-increase-violent-crime

2018-12-21 16:56:06 UTC  

Also most leaders of the Democrat Party are centrists/neoliberals, but a lot of Democrat supporters are social democrats.

2018-12-21 16:59:38 UTC  

NPR -> yupppp

So sweden doesnt have more crime... neither does england, germany, the USA, etc....

2018-12-21 16:59:52 UTC  

honestly if the studies claim they dont, they usualyl use some statistical obfuscation

2018-12-21 17:00:19 UTC  

immigrants are more likely to cause crime, i can literally point to any euro country that has taken in immigrants, and i can point to US immigrant communities to immediately disprove this claim

2018-12-21 17:03:41 UTC  

Most people in the movement either have libertarian or socialist backgrounds

2018-12-21 17:03:55 UTC  

Sweden has slightly more crime because they’re taking immigrants from the Middle East. I’m pretty sure England and Germany have a sizable amount of less crime than America. Crime has many factors, it isn’t just oh my god people are entering our country!!!! Why would they enter if they knew they’d just be deported back for being criminals, anyway? Can you explain that Mr. Immigration Studier.

2018-12-21 17:04:19 UTC  

also lol Cato institude literally lolbertarian institute finds no link, an dan inverse link is not suprising.

2018-12-21 17:04:34 UTC  

^^^^

2018-12-21 17:07:35 UTC  

Immigrants commit crime, generally their very act of being illegal is a crime, but lets ignore that for the sake of discussion.

Immigrants come in, particularly low skill immigrants will come and work illegally, wont pay taxes etc. Meaning this is alreayd a crime in and of itself. BUT lets ignore that as well, which ethnicities are most likely to form gangs? Is it the native bornstock ethnicity? Or the immigrant ethnicity? The vast majority of cases will demonstrate immigrant ethnicities over represented in gang formation and then violent crime or other similar crime, drugs etc.

They often dont really care for the laws of the land as is, they are there for money, not fleeing crime etc. which is BS, people travel like this to get ahead, rarely to get away from something in which case they would simply go for asylum and refugee status.

2018-12-21 17:07:48 UTC  

the cato institute being libertatian wants to justify cheap labor

2018-12-21 17:07:52 UTC  

at the cost of anything really

2018-12-21 17:09:39 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/466666347376672769/525721527266705435/image0.png

2018-12-21 17:09:59 UTC  

Sorry but I just can’t lmao

2018-12-21 17:10:15 UTC  

Do you even know why immigrants illegally enter instead of entering legally?

2018-12-21 17:11:52 UTC  

Is that total crime or crime seperated by ethnicity?

2018-12-21 17:12:06 UTC  

because if its total crime its not suprising to see a downards trend.

2018-12-21 17:12:13 UTC  

still all i need to do is say sweden

2018-12-21 17:12:17 UTC  

germany

2018-12-21 17:12:20 UTC  

england

2018-12-21 17:12:29 UTC  

-> illegal immigrants there

2018-12-21 17:12:33 UTC  

crime goes up

2018-12-21 17:12:40 UTC  

Instead of saying countries, source this and prove they have a change of violent crime

2018-12-21 17:13:07 UTC  

Because naming countries literally doesn’t do shit. I can name a bunch of countries rn if you wanted lol

2018-12-21 17:14:22 UTC  
2018-12-21 17:14:23 UTC  

Disgusting

2018-12-21 17:15:17 UTC  

about as good as NPR

2018-12-21 17:15:39 UTC  

the fact is this crime is happening, its most noted in mass migration because so many more get caught

2018-12-21 17:16:09 UTC  

the irony is police reporting of crime is going down, mot probably due to political correctness, but the number of inmates is skyrocketing

2018-12-21 17:16:20 UTC  

Even if crime happens due to illegal immigration, the solution isn’t to build a giant pointless wall

2018-12-21 17:16:51 UTC  

The solution is to increase background checks and reform our system. The fence down there is good enough, just arm it.

2018-12-21 17:18:21 UTC  

Id agree that all you need is an electric fence tbh, and add troops

2018-12-21 17:18:26 UTC  

hungary is doing very well

2018-12-21 17:18:30 UTC  

with a fence

2018-12-21 17:20:35 UTC  

truth be told its a bit more complicated than that, but in the US the wall might very well be a ton of wasted money when that same money can go to 1) making immigration systems better, or shuttign them down or whatever needs to be done, 2) arming the wall like you said, making a better fence 3) updating security measures with better tech, some sensors and cameras.

It would reduce cost, make everything that needs to be made better and cheaper, because honestly the issue with the wall is that you still need to man it.