Message from @Koninos

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2019-01-05 13:34:37 UTC  

@Abiss No, you cannot be moral without God.

2019-01-05 13:39:37 UTC  

Thatโ€™s the claim, can you demonstrate?

2019-01-05 13:45:04 UTC  

All morals derive from God, more than not a Godless moral society has had a religion in it's past or knowledge of one well enough to know it's moral code.

2019-01-05 13:45:53 UTC  

To prove that religion is not needed for morality, you'd need to take religion and all knowledge/memory of it out of the equation. Rejection of religion is still acknowledgment of it.

2019-01-05 13:46:01 UTC  

And to do so is virtually impossible in the modern world.

2019-01-05 13:46:37 UTC  
2019-01-05 14:02:04 UTC  

Thatโ€™s a good argument that it is unlikely for a species to develop morals without also developing religion along side it (the details of how they relate over said time could potentially vary quite a bit). It says nothing about being able to have morals without god.

Do you mean:
-you cannot be moral without the existence of god to create morality
Or
-morality cannot develop without the idea of god
?

2019-01-05 14:08:28 UTC  

Both.

2019-01-05 15:51:17 UTC  

Islam best

2019-01-05 17:10:57 UTC  

Daily <@&516817984782729217> Question <:PraiseGod:484196233020440586>

- Do we have free will? Or is everything predetermined by God? Or a mix of both?

2019-01-05 17:11:08 UTC  

no free will

2019-01-05 17:11:09 UTC  

both

2019-01-05 17:11:11 UTC  

Mix of both

2019-01-05 17:11:12 UTC  

God is gay.

2019-01-05 17:11:18 UTC  

We have free will

2019-01-05 17:11:26 UTC  

but there is still fate

2019-01-05 17:11:51 UTC  

@Koninos stop calling urself God that's heretic

2019-01-05 17:12:03 UTC  

Individual free will is the will of god, everybody's path is decided by themselves through god.

2019-01-05 17:12:23 UTC  

God doesnt directly determine u to hell

2019-01-05 17:12:44 UTC  

@Decay Look here, faggot, the Homosexuals is more than 1 person.

2019-01-05 17:12:54 UTC  

Good luck creating a new insult, perhaps better too, next time.

2019-01-05 17:13:11 UTC  

ok

2019-01-05 17:13:25 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516711835857059867/531158294652387329/image0-12.png

2019-01-05 17:27:23 UTC  

why would anybody know the answer to that question

2019-01-05 17:28:18 UTC  

Anything anybody answers is only a guess

2019-01-05 17:48:11 UTC  

both, just because things are determined for everyone from birth to death doesn't mean the person isn't making a choice - the fact that they are capable of making another choice is sufficient for free will to exist

2019-01-05 18:39:29 UTC  

We already had this, but generally it depends on what we assume of god, if god is omnipiscent he knows all, including the future. However we have free will in that we dont know the future and therefore make decisions that are goign to occur anyway, and our decisions are going to be something in essence predetermined. Our knowing of the future, if we could, would also mean that we would still come to the point that we saw, the initiating factor beign seeing the future.

2019-01-06 09:38:08 UTC  

Based gayreek

2019-01-06 09:38:50 UTC  

greece should be metaxist and kill all faggots and atheists in their country

2019-01-06 09:39:51 UTC  

Kke best party

2019-01-06 12:28:11 UTC  

@Decay Greece has almost no atheists.

2019-01-06 12:28:21 UTC  

98% Orthodox.

2019-01-06 12:28:26 UTC  

๐Ÿ‘Œ

2019-01-06 12:30:20 UTC  

๐Ÿ‘Œ๐Ÿผ ๐Ÿ˜Ž

2019-01-06 13:40:08 UTC  

Not suprised the US orthodox is declining

2019-01-06 13:40:31 UTC  

Based greece

2019-01-06 13:41:07 UTC  

@Bogatyr Bogumir Who's better, Perun or Rod in your opinion?

2019-01-06 13:43:14 UTC  

Idk much about rod @Doctor Anon but i think hes sort of the sceibe of gods or the God of the Word. Generally i guess perun would still dominate

2019-01-06 13:43:49 UTC  

I still need to organizer my notes from gieysztor and then go through other books related to claim i have an avtual clue of what im Talking about