And again, South Korea was poorer than North Korea until the 90's.

It takes time for imporvement

but now look at the two

South Korea is an economic powerhouse

I'm just saying they're the same thing, the only difference being we 'won' Korea.

Not true @Obungus we completely destroyed the Iraq government. We didn’t do that in Japan because they surrendered

Same strategy.

Just saying

i am not saying that everything is exactly the same

I am saying that they are similar enough to learn from

and we completely re-worked the Japanese government

Japan was occupied in the 50's, the Ryukyu islands until 1972.

Exactly

It takes quite a bit of time to get things going

and support from the local population is important

What gets things going exactly?

American imperialism 😎

All you've done is show correlation. You haven't been able to point out specific factors. If you just want to give a meme answer that's fine too.

It’s important to note that in Japan this reworking of government was done with the enthusiastic support of the Japanese people.

The exact processes are unique to each country

Europoor detected

Probably because of the Emperor.

We set up a foundation of democracy and a capitalist system

that's what gets things going

we give them the chance to prosper

@mdcrubengonza who are you calling european?

and the Japanese and South Koreans did well

American imperialism isn't altruistic. Surely you know that.

but it just takes a long time

>Altruism

No it isn't

American imperialism is used to further our goals

So then you know that presenting it as a force of good is purely circumstantial.

Yes

In these cases it worked

But it is failing in the middle east

I guess if you're a 56% burger nationalist it's justifiable.

Not necessarily

I am saying that if there is an opportunity to establish a pro-American democracy somewhere in the world it is in our best interest to do so

Which pro-American democracies has America established?

and while our goals can be rather self-centered it helps the people that we do it to generally