Message from @εïз irma εïз
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rightful american ethnicity is white
why would there be a rightful american ethnicity
what does that even mean
Yes.
Replaced it with their own identity actually.
And stolen is a bad term to use. They conquered it and kept it, Native Americans would have done the same thing.
They weren't saints.
That was the era it happened in.
Actually Native Americans had been fighting each other and killing each other there for thousands of years.
What makes you say that?
Tribal societies engage in internecine warfare more and have higher casualty rates.
So yes.
The "noble savage" is a myth, and it's acknowledged as a myth by historians. Do not believe any lie that the Native Americans were peaceful, they were warlike just like Europeans except they didn't have the better weapons.
Anthropological studies compare tribal societies to national societies and every time tribal societies are more violent.
Correct.
Not an uncommon theme.
No, let's focus on the statement you just made.
Are you implying that historiography now is defined by reports Europeans made?
Took you a long time to say something that's factually incorrect.
If you look though history when it's retroactively analyzed it isn't written by the victors.
If you honestly think that historians solely base their claims on what Europeans said rather than the factual circumstances of what happened you're deluded. Even at the time Europeans knew other Europeans were attacking and slaughtering natives.
The conflict of interest was between countries who had the secular desire to exploit them and the Papacy that consistently argued against their enslavement.
If history is always written by the victors then why do most people think the natives were peaceful and got slaughtered by evil Europeans?
Because actual objective historical analysis doesn't agree with this. That's why. Historical analysis is retroactively objective.
Because they were unorganized savages. People generally agree the Aztecs and Inca were organized though, because they were organized.
Semi-nomadic Indians on the East Coast? Unorganized and savage.
See? It's objective. You're getting it.
East Coast Indians routinely engaged in internecine warfare, trade, diplomacy. Compared to a state they were unorganized and savage, be that Spain or the Inca.
Did the same things, but with higher casualty rates and more frequency.
Unorganized and savage is not an unwarranted epithet.
Personally I think that if all you're going to do is make the abstract claim that history is written by the victors I won't humor you any further. I know that if I prove you wrong you will just derail with shitposting because that's what you do every time. If you want to take the opportunity to say "hurr irma cant admit when shes wrong" then so be it, but now's your chance to offer some objective evidence.
Looks like I gave you more of a chance than you deserved.
Here are two articles you might find helpful.
Educate yourself.
Yes, it's a brief overview. You can look up either of those if you want independently.
I think that if you tried to engage in productive conversation instead of derailing every time you were wrong and shitposting because you know you can get away with it in this server that has no quality control then I have no obligation to treat you respectfully.
No, just you.
Because you are actually very dumb and everybody agrees with me on that.
You would rather shitpost and derail.
I'm moving on with my life. Cya.