Message from @εïз irma εïз

Discord ID: 468351998173904917


2018-07-15 21:09:22 UTC  

rightful american ethnicity is white

2018-07-15 22:13:21 UTC  

why would there be a rightful american ethnicity

2018-07-15 22:13:25 UTC  

what does that even mean

2018-07-16 09:34:30 UTC  

Yes.

2018-07-16 09:35:01 UTC  

Replaced it with their own identity actually.

2018-07-16 09:35:18 UTC  

And stolen is a bad term to use. They conquered it and kept it, Native Americans would have done the same thing.

2018-07-16 09:35:22 UTC  

They weren't saints.

2018-07-16 09:35:34 UTC  

That was the era it happened in.

2018-07-16 09:35:53 UTC  

Actually Native Americans had been fighting each other and killing each other there for thousands of years.

2018-07-16 09:36:20 UTC  

What makes you say that?

2018-07-16 09:36:41 UTC  

Tribal societies engage in internecine warfare more and have higher casualty rates.

2018-07-16 09:36:44 UTC  

So yes.

2018-07-16 09:37:32 UTC  

The "noble savage" is a myth, and it's acknowledged as a myth by historians. Do not believe any lie that the Native Americans were peaceful, they were warlike just like Europeans except they didn't have the better weapons.

2018-07-16 09:38:09 UTC  

Anthropological studies compare tribal societies to national societies and every time tribal societies are more violent.

2018-07-16 09:39:11 UTC  

Correct.

2018-07-16 09:39:19 UTC  

Not an uncommon theme.

2018-07-16 09:40:36 UTC  

No, let's focus on the statement you just made.

2018-07-16 09:40:47 UTC  

Are you implying that historiography now is defined by reports Europeans made?

2018-07-16 09:42:30 UTC  

Took you a long time to say something that's factually incorrect.

2018-07-16 09:42:45 UTC  

If you look though history when it's retroactively analyzed it isn't written by the victors.

2018-07-16 09:43:37 UTC  

If you honestly think that historians solely base their claims on what Europeans said rather than the factual circumstances of what happened you're deluded. Even at the time Europeans knew other Europeans were attacking and slaughtering natives.

2018-07-16 09:43:57 UTC  

The conflict of interest was between countries who had the secular desire to exploit them and the Papacy that consistently argued against their enslavement.

2018-07-16 09:44:42 UTC  

If history is always written by the victors then why do most people think the natives were peaceful and got slaughtered by evil Europeans?

2018-07-16 09:45:06 UTC  

Because actual objective historical analysis doesn't agree with this. That's why. Historical analysis is retroactively objective.

2018-07-16 09:45:35 UTC  

Because they were unorganized savages. People generally agree the Aztecs and Inca were organized though, because they were organized.

2018-07-16 09:45:52 UTC  

Semi-nomadic Indians on the East Coast? Unorganized and savage.

2018-07-16 09:46:00 UTC  

See? It's objective. You're getting it.

2018-07-16 09:46:41 UTC  

East Coast Indians routinely engaged in internecine warfare, trade, diplomacy. Compared to a state they were unorganized and savage, be that Spain or the Inca.

2018-07-16 09:47:01 UTC  

Did the same things, but with higher casualty rates and more frequency.

2018-07-16 09:47:07 UTC  

Unorganized and savage is not an unwarranted epithet.

2018-07-16 09:49:28 UTC  

Personally I think that if all you're going to do is make the abstract claim that history is written by the victors I won't humor you any further. I know that if I prove you wrong you will just derail with shitposting because that's what you do every time. If you want to take the opportunity to say "hurr irma cant admit when shes wrong" then so be it, but now's your chance to offer some objective evidence.

2018-07-16 09:50:28 UTC  

Looks like I gave you more of a chance than you deserved.

2018-07-16 09:50:53 UTC  

Here are two articles you might find helpful.

2018-07-16 09:50:55 UTC  

Educate yourself.

2018-07-16 09:51:21 UTC  

Yes, it's a brief overview. You can look up either of those if you want independently.

2018-07-16 09:51:59 UTC  

I think that if you tried to engage in productive conversation instead of derailing every time you were wrong and shitposting because you know you can get away with it in this server that has no quality control then I have no obligation to treat you respectfully.

2018-07-16 09:52:10 UTC  

No, just you.

2018-07-16 09:52:21 UTC  

Because you are actually very dumb and everybody agrees with me on that.

2018-07-16 09:52:34 UTC  

You would rather shitpost and derail.

2018-07-16 09:52:42 UTC  

I'm moving on with my life. Cya.