Message from @oscar

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2018-09-03 16:40:10 UTC  

@Alice Redacted
You simply don't want the same thing all of the time. Wisdom in this case would be knowing that you need to muster your emotions so that you feel good in the future and that you act consistently with your greater emotional needs.

2018-09-03 16:40:46 UTC  

You cannot simply do whatever you feel like doing and act consistently with all emotions at all times. Some emotions are stronger at some times, and they contradict each other.

2018-09-03 16:40:51 UTC  

Are you talking about impulse control?

2018-09-03 16:40:56 UTC  

Impulses aren't emotions

2018-09-03 16:41:07 UTC  

Emotions aren't impulses

2018-09-03 16:41:15 UTC  

Anger is an emotion, and you may have to control it if you love your wife, for example.

2018-09-03 16:41:28 UTC  

That's fair

2018-09-03 16:41:36 UTC  

Impulse control is ONLY hard when there is a strong emotion under it

2018-09-03 16:41:37 UTC  

but you seem to be saying that emotions, in general, are bad

2018-09-03 16:41:47 UTC  

No, I am saying that they need to be structured rationally

2018-09-03 16:41:47 UTC  

and that we should rid ourselves of them

2018-09-03 16:42:05 UTC  

If you try to cover them up, they'll come out somewhere else

2018-09-03 16:42:13 UTC  

Everything we do is based in emotions

2018-09-03 16:42:15 UTC  

Of course, venting is useful at times

2018-09-03 16:42:21 UTC  

It's just a matter of whether or not we're acting rationally

2018-09-03 16:42:23 UTC  

expressing them in some way

2018-09-03 16:42:37 UTC  

be it to a friend, a lover, through writing, painting, or whatever you enjoy

2018-09-03 16:42:55 UTC  

acting purely "rationally" in a "realpolitik" sort of way is dangerous

2018-09-03 16:43:00 UTC  

particularly to those lacking power

2018-09-03 16:43:08 UTC  

Empathy is a powerful emotion.

2018-09-03 16:43:18 UTC  

I don't believe that empathy is an emotion

2018-09-03 16:43:19 UTC  

One which we should never risk suppressing.

2018-09-03 16:43:22 UTC  

Do you mean compassion

2018-09-03 16:43:26 UTC  

It's most certainly a feeling one has towards another

2018-09-03 16:43:33 UTC  

compassion, care, love, whatever you name it

2018-09-03 16:43:45 UTC  

Sympathy... all similar words, all feelings divorced from pragmatism

2018-09-03 16:43:57 UTC  

I can feel empathetic towards another

2018-09-03 16:44:44 UTC  

When oxytocin, the chemical that causes compassion, is increased it actually leads to warlike and tribal behavior

2018-09-03 16:45:18 UTC  

I'd like to ask for a citation

2018-09-03 16:46:38 UTC  

ah

2018-09-03 16:46:44 UTC  

in-group/out-group favoritism?

2018-09-03 16:47:13 UTC  

Altruism is game theoretic

2018-09-03 16:47:22 UTC  

And unconditional love for all people generally fails

2018-09-03 16:47:33 UTC  

Looking at it, it seems to benefit the in-group link

2018-09-03 16:47:34 UTC  

Reciprocity is a better goal for empathy

2018-09-03 16:47:41 UTC  

rather than damage opinions of an out-group

2018-09-03 16:47:53 UTC  

Also, they can both function side by side

2018-09-03 16:48:01 UTC  

Besides, in-group altruism can actually benefit out-groups

2018-09-03 17:27:42 UTC  

Primary/elementary is to teach kids to be good citizens and anything beyond is to teach skills to be good workers.

2018-09-03 17:29:01 UTC  

^

2018-09-03 19:02:06 UTC  

No government is truthful about the nature of the state to its children