is the un a confederacy or federation

is the eu a confederacy or federation

confederacy I'd say

what about the eu?

@SilverLining

confederacy

@SilverLining not really

universal currency

universal laws

universal trade

there's still such a massive degree of autonomy within each state that it'd be unreasonable to call it a federation

universal currency lmao

there's the pound, the krona/krone, the zloty, the forint

the currency is far from universal

GB got to keep the pound, even

also

the laws aren't really

entirely universal

and is there a federation between Canada, the US, and Mexico because NAFTA is a thing?

yeah saying the laws of different countries in the eu are universal by any measure is just completely ignorant

I mean you can form a state based o ethnic lines, for example Poland is majority, and I mean 80% + lechite tribe descendants, with Kaszubians and potentially sillesians thrown into the mix. Other than that we are one tribe one ethnicity and generaly when speaking of values and culture, they have to be tied to a forefather myth or legend, something to tie them down and make them real, otherwise they will change literally every generation. People need a sense that they are incarnation of a set of values and culture of their forefathers (which they are) than simply a set of esoteric values that have well, nowhere to be pinned down to.

I do agree in the autonomy part inso much that related, however not necessarily closely related, ethnicities should have some proper representation such that they simply dont feel isolated or dwarfed or suffocated adn as such want to participate in the commonwealth.

"People need a sense that they are incarnation of a set of values and culture of their forefathers (which they are) than simply a set of esoteric values that have well, nowhere to be pinned down to. "

Why?

Nobody actually follows the values of their forefathers at this point

The alternative is the Cosmopolitan worldview. And well that hasn't treated European nations too well

And plus it seems to be those of European descent (whether as a side product or malicious intent) have abandoned their values.
Those of African, Middle Eastern, Asian, and Latin American descent hold on to their values

What even are European values?

Do you mean catholic feudal values?

Or the pagan tribal values?

perhaps even the reformation - that value which encouraged change and reform in society

or maybe the enlightenment, how Europeans criticized authority and the current societal order

Maybe even the libertarian values, the liberal values which espoused absolute freedom in all regards

but then again, there's always the chance you mean the totalist values, which placed the state above all, discouraging dissent

Or maybe... Communism, which had its roots in Europe - do you think those values should be held to?

ah, but then again, neo-liberal values exist, too...

and how has the cosmopolitan not treated european states too well?

The standard of living has only boomed...

^^^

if we're being honest then 'european values' are whatever the person using the term wants them to be

Values is the incorrect term

The correct wording should be self pride