the other is in denial

Libertarians don't want the NAP to be optional

both scenarios described would violate an animal or a human right

@Da_Fish At one point do you draw the distinction of someone's actions not affecting someone else? That's pretty subjective

AnCaps want all things to be optional

so do liberatarians

@The Big Oof No stealing, No harming/killing, no breaking contracts

No

@Deleted User

Everything that we live in today is a result of libertarian policies

I could say all of the wealth being in the hands of the few is bad for the economy, and therefore affects everyone else.

False

It's a pretty subjective position

Libertarianism does not cause a powerful 1%

regulation does

Hot take: All of your actions affect other people

The founding fathers left us with values of selfishness and individuality as our nation corrupted itself on this obsession

Hahahaha

Almost spilt my beer

Libertarian absolutely allowed for monopolies

Ok first

@Deleted User The founding fathers could not have foreseen what future their choices would have led to

Individuality is not selfishness

You cannot blame them

that's the way we are built

@The Big Oof maybe they should've had better philosophical takes then

Liberty built the greatest things of the world

Individuality is inherently selfish

Fascism just killed 100 million people through a huge war

No it is not

it is natural

@Da_Fish *National Socialism

we are individual creatures

nations are not designed to be individualistic or communist

All NatSocs are fascists but not all Fascists are NatSoc

National Socialism is just one branch of fascism, and it's even arguable as to whether or not it even is fascism.

Hitler's economic policies were capitalistic in nature

Ehhh

Nations are not individual creatures

He privatized nearly all of Germany's state owned industry

They are organic bodies of people that need to work together

Strasserism was the original nazbol gang