Message from @Crazed Shotgun

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2018-12-01 21:39:14 UTC  

If social security is inevitable then yes as it's cheaper in costs due to less administrative work. Though the downside is that drug addicts and the like will have access to it

2018-12-01 21:39:34 UTC  

Eg if a living wage is £22k a year

2018-12-01 21:39:39 UTC  

It would be a good idea, if not for the fact that the left will ruin it, make it way too high, and destroy the incentive to find work and actually put value to the currency of UBI

2018-12-01 21:39:44 UTC  

then the UBI should be £5K a year

2018-12-01 21:39:56 UTC  

meaning peeps still need to work

2018-12-01 21:40:07 UTC  

but its a way to make them value hte government

2018-12-01 21:40:12 UTC  

eg in their minds its free money

2018-12-01 21:40:15 UTC  

UBI would only be realistic in a hyper-automated society where robots do most of the work

2018-12-01 21:40:25 UTC  

But the economy would have to be surplus based

2018-12-01 21:40:27 UTC  

A right winger reforming social security to give everyone enough to live on would be a fine idea, better than the welfare state as it currently exists now, but it just won't be handled well

2018-12-01 21:40:37 UTC  

and not debt based as it is today

2018-12-01 21:40:42 UTC  

eg

2018-12-01 21:40:47 UTC  

in a debt based economy

2018-12-01 21:40:51 UTC  

all money must be sppent

2018-12-01 21:40:55 UTC  

but in a surplus based

2018-12-01 21:41:00 UTC  

any excess money is stored

2018-12-01 21:41:02 UTC  

for times of need

2018-12-01 21:41:02 UTC  

nothing can be free, it just doesn't work

2018-12-01 21:41:14 UTC  

Oxygen is free

2018-12-01 21:41:15 UTC  
2018-12-01 21:41:22 UTC  

Life isn't risky enough to justify that amount of money, it works in Alaska because of how risky life is but it wouldn't work as a whole in America

2018-12-01 21:41:23 UTC  

food can very easily be free

2018-12-01 21:41:40 UTC  

oxygen would be hard to sell since their is so much of it

2018-12-01 21:41:43 UTC  

then the farmers go broke @Flare

2018-12-01 21:41:53 UTC  

then the pesticide companies go broke @Flare

2018-12-01 21:41:56 UTC  

Which scenario is that in reference to

2018-12-01 21:41:57 UTC  
2018-12-01 21:42:02 UTC  

then the research compaines go broke @Flare

2018-12-01 21:42:14 UTC  

then the manufacring of chemical factories go broke @Flare

2018-12-01 21:42:16 UTC  

free food

2018-12-01 21:42:19 UTC  

Oh

2018-12-01 21:42:20 UTC  

lol

2018-12-01 21:42:23 UTC  

You dont understand do you

2018-12-01 21:42:27 UTC  

its like the food chain

2018-12-01 21:42:28 UTC  

Food in the modern world can very easily be free

2018-12-01 21:42:30 UTC  

if one part fails

2018-12-01 21:42:35 UTC  

the entire the collapses

2018-12-01 21:42:36 UTC  

like you could literally walk out of modern society

2018-12-01 21:42:39 UTC  

and live for free

2018-12-01 21:42:46 UTC  

how do you pay farmers?

2018-12-01 21:42:53 UTC  

youd basically go back to a hunter gatherer society