this isnt even a christian tradition lmao

```With no Biblical directive to do so and no mention in the Gospels of the correct date, it wasn't until the fourth century that church leaders in Rome embraced the holiday. At this time, Nissenbaum said, many people had turned to a belief the Church found heretical: That Jesus had never existed as a man, but as a sort of spiritual entity.```

xD

That's the whole story, people are so fucking dumb that you must give them holidays for them not to be blind like a fucking chicken

but it originally derived from many pagan or culturally indigenous european traditions

so thats it

No it’s not it.... kill your self

lol you faggot

I dont even dislike christmas, you're just foolish and fucking dumb to believe that it is a christian tradition

it has the roots in very pagan beliefs and traditions of the ancients

I cant see a reason for why christianity would be more legitimate than some fucking druids in forests

the difference is that it evolved further

but was built upon the roots

```“The earliest reference to Christmas being marked on Dec. 25 comes from the second century after Jesus’ birth. It is considered likely the first Christmas celebrations were in reaction to the Roman Saturnalia, a harvest festival that marked the winter solstice—the return of the sun—and honored Saturn, the god of sowing. Saturnalia was a rowdy time, much opposed by the more austere leaders among the still-minority Christian sect. Christmas developed, one scholar says, as a means of replacing worship of the sun with worship of the Son. By 529 AD, after Christianity had become the official state religion of the Roman Empire, Emperor Justinian made Christmas a civic holiday. The celebration of Christmas reached its peak—some would say its worst moments—in the medieval period when it became a time for conspicuous consumption and unequaled revelry.”```

not fucking similar at all

totally fucking distinct

```“Now, this is in exact accordance with the character of the Great Head of the system of fire-worship. Nimrod, as the representative of the devouring fire to which human victims, and especially children, were offered in sacrifice, was regarded as the great child-devourer…he was, of course, the actual father of all the Babylonian gods; and, therefore, in that character he was afterwards universally regarded. As the Father of the gods, he was, as we have seen, called Kronos; and every one knows that the classical story of Kronos was just this, that, ‘he devoured his sons as soon as they were born.’ (Lempriere Classical Dictionary, ‘Saturn.’)…This legend has a further and deeper meaning; but, as applied to Nimrod, or ‘The Horned One,’ it just refers to the fact, that, as the representative of Moloch or Baal, infants were the most acceptable offerings at his altar. We have ample and melancholy evidence on this subject from the records of antiquity. ‘The Phoenicians,’ says Eusebius, ‘every year sacrificed their beloved and only-begotten children to Kronos or Saturn.’”

But why was human sacrifice such a key to the worship of this terrible god? What possible good could human beings think they saw in slaughtering their own children? Continuing: “…he who approached the fire would receive a light from divinity” and “through divine fire all the stains produced by generations could be purged away.” Therefore, “children were made to pass through the fire unto Molech” (Jer. 32:35).

As incredible as it seems, deceived human beings actually believed they were pleasing their “god” by sacrificing their own innocent little children to him. They believed fire purified them from original sin. The pagan doctrine of spending time in purgatory to purge the soul from all sin derives from this belief!```

booh, combo breaker

purgatory doesnt exist and is a concept introduced by faggs in the vatican

Early christians didn't celebrated jesus birth (something to do with jews not celebrating birthday in general). Don't have any source on hand, so let's assume Im pulling this out of my ass.

I believe Christmas arose out of a joining of a old pagan holiday and the wanting of a holiday celebrating Jesus's birth.

the ancients had many beliefs and traditions, both brutal and interesting.
The first christians tried to make peace with both native customs and newly introduced christian ideas... it would be easier to replace an existing ritual with just the label of a god, isnt it

that could be why the earliest popes or whoever there was could be against doing so

but hey, popularity > value right

I thought I told you to kill yourself

lmao

I must disagree, to both points

to what exactly

@Red Car doesn't think he told you, he either knows or doesn't know.

and to some of your points

Such as that the first Christians tried to make peace with both native customs and Christian ideologue, I believe this to be false.

like christinization of whole nations wasnt a real thing

some were cut out, with force, some *converted*

but instead of cutting out the whole europe, they assimilated 70% and killed the rest

I think your either a Jew or a white with a jewed brain... ask yourself is Christmas really the hill you want to get crucified on?

red fagg is again sharing highly valuable and profound products of human thought

xD

when did you evolve enough to use a keyboard

are you a converted somalian or smth

lmao

I didn't evolve.