Message from Porpoise in The Right Cafe #qotd

2018-12-26 23:09:36 UTC  


2018-12-26 23:09:39 UTC  

I would say no

2018-12-26 23:09:39 UTC  


2018-12-26 23:09:42 UTC  


2018-12-26 23:09:43 UTC  

The immigrants in Europe.

2018-12-26 23:09:57 UTC  

I'm thinking long term though

2018-12-26 23:09:58 UTC  


2018-12-26 23:10:03 UTC  

No nation should mindlessly pursue a goal.

2018-12-26 23:10:05 UTC  


2018-12-26 23:10:08 UTC  


2018-12-26 23:10:08 UTC  

so if a nation sacrifices money for long term success, it counts

2018-12-26 23:10:10 UTC  

No matter how good intended it sounds.

2018-12-26 23:10:18 UTC  

yes. improve != growth, however

2018-12-26 23:10:18 UTC  

Is this question asking if economic growth should be sought no matter the cost, or are you just asking if growth is always better than stagnation

2018-12-26 23:10:23 UTC  


2018-12-26 23:10:40 UTC  

I would say yes but you would have to define utility in a broader sense than wealth

2018-12-26 23:11:04 UTC  

There’s a lot of utility that comes with wealth

2018-12-26 23:11:11 UTC  

yes of course

2018-12-26 23:11:22 UTC  

I don't think anyone can deny this

2018-12-26 23:11:31 UTC  


2018-12-26 23:11:42 UTC  

But it's not the end all

2018-12-26 23:12:09 UTC  

While it should be a goal of a nation to improve itself, it shouldn't be at all costs.

2018-12-26 23:13:27 UTC  

i would say no, a nation should try to improve itself in a multitude of ways, but possibly least of these the economy. It should try to improve its culture. By this i mean it should build upon itself in the arts, the culinary arts, architecture, music, drama, etc. It should try to improve the connections within itself, cultural linkages if you will. By this I mean it should foster participation in the Church and community at large. Increasing participation to strengthen local, regional and national identity. This brings purpose to individuals within the nation.

While growing the economy certainly offers benefits, all too often it is hoisted far above the societal goals listed above, and if effort is not made then the economic goals will supercede these goals completely. In the long run the society will run out of creative energy and the individuals will become increasingly isolated, leading to a multitude of problems and the eventual collapse of economy, for the society is no longer dynamic.

2018-12-26 23:14:01 UTC  

Also take into consideration the means.

2018-12-26 23:14:02 UTC  

what the fuck did I just read

2018-12-26 23:14:18 UTC  

@IV LI V S <:brainlet:487682295889920016>

2018-12-26 23:14:23 UTC  

I guess so

2018-12-26 23:14:50 UTC  

but do you not know that economic growth is *the* driving force behind cultural advances

2018-12-26 23:14:51 UTC  

Merkel said that the influx of immigrants would bring economic growth.

2018-12-26 23:14:59 UTC  

its not, though

2018-12-26 23:15:10 UTC  

better things are made possible by bigger wealth

2018-12-26 23:15:15 UTC  

if it was, america would have a vibrant and growing culture, instead of a regressive and deteriorating one

2018-12-26 23:15:17 UTC  

this has always been the way

2018-12-26 23:15:30 UTC  

no that's a retarded reduction

2018-12-26 23:15:34 UTC  

not at all

2018-12-26 23:15:42 UTC  

I never said that big economy = good culture

2018-12-26 23:15:49 UTC  

if your claim holds, it should hold every time

2018-12-26 23:15:49 UTC  

I think you need to have expanded material possibilities for sure,
@IV LI V S has a good point

2018-12-26 23:15:52 UTC  

I said that a big economy enables good culture

2018-12-26 23:15:58 UTC  

"but do you not know that economic growth is the driving force behind cultural advances"

2018-12-26 23:16:00 UTC  

It dosent bring it.