Message from @The Big Oof

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2018-09-09 06:42:19 UTC  

anyhow

2018-09-09 06:42:29 UTC  

Beyond IQ not being the largest predictor

2018-09-09 06:42:37 UTC  

it's also not useful in determining intelligence

2018-09-09 06:42:47 UTC  

as there's a myriad of types of intelligence

2018-09-09 06:42:57 UTC  

see: all mainstream actors, artists, etc...

2018-09-09 06:43:20 UTC  

going by gardner...

2018-09-09 06:43:21 UTC  

musical-rhythmic,
visual-spatial,
verbal-linguistic,
logical-mathematical,
bodily-kinesthetic,
interpersonal,
intrapersonal, and
naturalistic.

2018-09-09 06:44:00 UTC  

Here's some, I'm reading some others

2018-09-09 06:44:24 UTC  

yes a retard turns 1 million into 10 billion

2018-09-09 06:44:29 UTC  

ok

2018-09-09 06:44:54 UTC  

oh wait

2018-09-09 06:45:02 UTC  

I found a new york times article about it, but it dances around the IQ thing, just pointing out that other factors exist

2018-09-09 06:45:15 UTC  

It doesn't really have any information in it of substance

2018-09-09 06:45:18 UTC  

just common sense

2018-09-09 06:45:28 UTC  

"Let us give Terman the benefit of the doubt and post that all 2,000 scientific and technical publications were produced by the 70 who made it into American Men of Science. That implies that, on average, Terman's notable scientists produced about 29 publications by the time they had reached their mid-40s. In contrast, American Nobel laureates in the sciences averaged about 38 publications by the time they were 39 years old, and claimed about 59 publications by their mid-40s. THat amounts to a twofold disparity in output. Hence, Terman's intellectual elite was not of the same caliber as the true scientific elite of the same nation and era."

Another analysis shows that the accomplishments of the "Termites" could have been predicted on their socioeconomic status alone. These were mostly white, middle to upper middle class men with opportunities and resources for success. Some argue that it wasn't even necessary for Terman to analyze the IQ dimension--he could have stopped with SES and call it a day.

2018-09-09 06:45:40 UTC  

Yes,I linked you a neutral article

2018-09-09 06:45:46 UTC  

And you went to the author's note

2018-09-09 06:45:59 UTC  

to disprove my point

2018-09-09 06:46:35 UTC  

For the record, I've never even looked into this study, so I don't know if it's even reliable @SilverLining

2018-09-09 06:46:44 UTC  

and I will not use it as a source

2018-09-09 06:47:16 UTC  

But you did present it as evidence and, from what little time I just spent reading over it, it does not conclude with the same results you claimed it did

2018-09-09 06:47:49 UTC  

it does to a large degree

2018-09-09 06:47:59 UTC  

It kind of doesn't....

2018-09-09 06:48:06 UTC  

It just points out that IQ isn't the end all be all

2018-09-09 06:48:08 UTC  

which is true

2018-09-09 06:48:11 UTC  

Not that it's useless

2018-09-09 06:48:28 UTC  

eh, that IQ isn't the be all end all is what I'm really trying to get at

2018-09-09 06:48:52 UTC  

You said it was terrible and unreliable, but it's getting into semantics at this point

2018-09-09 06:49:07 UTC  

The point is, the study did not conclude IQ wasn't invalid, just that it was far from perfect

2018-09-09 06:49:17 UTC  

oh

2018-09-09 06:49:24 UTC  

that IQ is terrible and unreliable is another point

2018-09-09 06:49:42 UTC  

that there's a minimal, arguably negligible correlation between IQ and success is separated from that

2018-09-09 06:50:07 UTC  

it wasn't negligible as far as this study is concerned, but I've barely look into it so I will not use this as personal proof

2018-09-09 06:51:03 UTC  

it is a fairly old study, so *maybe* it's wrong

2018-09-09 06:51:25 UTC  

you're not... digging into the study, then

2018-09-09 06:51:28 UTC  

one that has been overseen by different people

2018-09-09 06:51:34 UTC  

the point isn't that some people who were termites achieved great things

2018-09-09 06:51:48 UTC  

but rather, that many of those overlooked reached greater heights

2018-09-09 06:51:51 UTC  

On average, they were better off than their peers

2018-09-09 06:51:54 UTC  

and that many of those with termites were...