Message from @campodin
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He is not a socialist or a democratic socialist
He is a social Democrat
The names may sound similar, but they are two different things
Social democracies are still driven by private property
I am signing off now for the time being, need to do classwork
Still pretty fucking similar lol, all of them are gay.
@The Big Oof theyre pretty close to socialist considering the only other realistically achievable type is a socialist dictatorship which typically fails the whole point altogether
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No
Socialism is social ownership
Social democracies are capitalist with heavy market regulation
That's a huge leap
Germany is a social democracy
has been since the end off ww2
Saying "they're pretty close to socialism" is just completely wrong
@The Big Oof soc Dems are socialists
Socialists are communists
communists are socialists
but not the other way around
the point of socialism is communism though
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@campodin it's still socialism, or always leads to it
@Doctor Anon it’s like “we wanna be socialist but socialism is shit, so let’s alter the whole definition just to call ourselves it”
They're still shit socialists, i don't know why you have to buy into their lies that they aren't, they literally just change the labels around and change small things, at their core they are all socialists and many socialist countries have failed when they went too far.
What is the difference between Venezuela, Brazil when those are social democracy inspired countries, how are their failures any different to similar ideologies in Germany?
This
Venezuela is not a social democracy wtf
They're Democratic Socialists
Those are two different things, and the difference is greater than the names would imply
Social Democrats believe in private property and business still drives the economy
Democratic socialists believe in social ownership
That's a huge difference
That's the difference between "Germany and Venezuela"
why do you think social democracy is also called "Rhine Capitalism?"
I don't even how one would think Venezuela is a social democracy, unless there is a misunderstanding of what social democratic economics are, the economy is fuled by private enterprise
and think it's interchangeable with Democratic Socialism
First of all, let's back up here, what is "Socialism?" Do you think it's interchangeable with "social programs"?
Funny, when I talk to most socialists they claim Venezuela isn't socialist for the same reasons you claim social democrats aren't. It is capitalist and people still have private property
I know I'm bringing up wikipedia, but this is a good description of social democratic economics @campodin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_market_economy