Message from @Draco

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2018-11-03 22:18:27 UTC  

Oof

2018-11-03 22:18:38 UTC  

History disagrees

2018-11-03 22:18:45 UTC  

Everyone believes their opponent's position is demonstrably false

2018-11-03 22:18:46 UTC  

*who's trying for senior citizen here hmmm*

2018-11-03 22:18:52 UTC  

This is true

2018-11-03 22:18:57 UTC  

It is not a question of history. It is a question of biology

2018-11-03 22:19:12 UTC  

I had a conversation about this earlier

2018-11-03 22:19:13 UTC  

Marxists make it about history to perform a class analysis.

2018-11-03 22:19:21 UTC  

Actually

2018-11-03 22:19:29 UTC  

No

2018-11-03 22:19:33 UTC  

The claim of constructivism is about inheritance of social traits

2018-11-03 22:19:43 UTC  

Constructivism is just about the adaptability of human nature

2018-11-03 22:19:45 UTC  

What has history to do with it?

2018-11-03 22:19:49 UTC  

This can he explained by biology

2018-11-03 22:19:55 UTC  

Neural plasticity for one

2018-11-03 22:20:28 UTC  

It's also evolutionarily advantageous for humans to have some degree of malleability in order to survive better

2018-11-03 22:20:58 UTC  

Well we can see how many characteristics of human nature have changed based in the conditions people were subjected to

2018-11-03 22:21:26 UTC  

Now, like Marx I think there is a core human nature and that the specifics of this are molded by society. I'm not entirely constructivist

2018-11-03 22:22:09 UTC  

But human nature was in slave based societies like Greece to be different from ours or that of Feudal societies

2018-11-03 22:22:18 UTC  

Honestly, it is just a word game sociologists play. If you really define Constructivism as adaptability to surroundings, then essentialists do not disagree. You present a dichotomy with essentialism and then give a lighter definition.

2018-11-03 22:22:35 UTC  

Essentialists do not say that humans are not affected by sorroundings

2018-11-03 22:22:46 UTC  

The whole idea of Plato's The Republic was that they are

2018-11-03 22:23:03 UTC  

Yes, but you also claim there is an essential being

2018-11-03 22:23:22 UTC  

Yes, and essential being is not full of all properties of humanity

2018-11-03 22:23:26 UTC  

Some metaphysical component to a given thing that makes it that thing

2018-11-03 22:23:33 UTC  

It is mere minimum that makes you a human

2018-11-03 22:23:50 UTC  

Like four wheelers having four wheel does not mean their wind shields do not get scratched

2018-11-03 22:23:55 UTC  

I don't think "human" is a constant unchanging thing however

2018-11-03 22:24:42 UTC  

Humans today are defined not just their their biology but the technology they create which is an extension of themselves

2018-11-03 22:24:43 UTC  

You presented a critique of Essentialism. Have you read what it is?

2018-11-03 22:24:56 UTC  

Yes I have

2018-11-03 22:25:11 UTC  

I quoted what it was a second ago

2018-11-03 22:25:30 UTC  

So, why do you think that Plato did not know that humans in his country did not adapt different lifestyles with changing technology

2018-11-03 22:26:14 UTC  

I'm saying it's more than that and that human nature changes along with these changes

2018-11-03 22:26:21 UTC  

Including what it means to be human

2018-11-03 22:26:30 UTC  

This actually gets into post human thought

2018-11-03 22:27:09 UTC  

That actually is just a question of tautology on what "human" means.
You can say that "human" means killing people relentlessly so empathy would be non-human.

2018-11-03 22:27:32 UTC  

```Cultural posthumanism: a branch of cultural theory critical of the foundational assumptions of humanism and its legacy that examines and questions the historical notions of "human" and "human nature", often challenging typical notions of human subjectivity and embodiment and strives to move beyond archaic concepts of "human nature" to develop ones which constantly adapt to contemporary technoscientificknowledge.```

2018-11-03 22:28:13 UTC  

Well essentiallism vs constructivism is based on the question as to whether human nature is constructed or essential

2018-11-03 22:28:16 UTC  

It is just a deconstructionists' way of making things more complex than they are

2018-11-03 22:29:34 UTC  

If you believe that Earth is flat, would that make it flat? If you live like Earth is flat, would it make it? The problem is that sociologists examine different epochs and notions in history and claim that human nature has changed when it may just be that our understanding has changed