Message from @Draco

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2018-11-03 22:16:06 UTC  

I think they despite being anarchists had to be authoritarian and were, which was good and I wish we could have seen it last longer, see how it panned out

2018-11-03 22:16:22 UTC  

But perhaps it was because anarchists aren't authoritarian enough they were crushed

2018-11-03 22:16:31 UTC  

@Enigmatic★Chromatic The NEP had the same intention as Mussolini's free market phase

2018-11-03 22:16:38 UTC  

it was never meant to be permanent

2018-11-03 22:16:58 UTC  

Alright?

2018-11-03 22:17:29 UTC  

The end goal of fascism is still Capitalism in all the ways that matter, commodity production and all that

2018-11-03 22:18:01 UTC  

@Draco And yes, largely I am a constructivist

2018-11-03 22:18:20 UTC  

But why? Constructivism is demonstrably false.

2018-11-03 22:18:27 UTC  

Oof

2018-11-03 22:18:38 UTC  

History disagrees

2018-11-03 22:18:45 UTC  

Everyone believes their opponent's position is demonstrably false

2018-11-03 22:18:46 UTC  

*who's trying for senior citizen here hmmm*

2018-11-03 22:18:52 UTC  

This is true

2018-11-03 22:18:57 UTC  

It is not a question of history. It is a question of biology

2018-11-03 22:19:12 UTC  

I had a conversation about this earlier

2018-11-03 22:19:13 UTC  

Marxists make it about history to perform a class analysis.

2018-11-03 22:19:21 UTC  

Actually

2018-11-03 22:19:29 UTC  

No

2018-11-03 22:19:33 UTC  

The claim of constructivism is about inheritance of social traits

2018-11-03 22:19:43 UTC  

Constructivism is just about the adaptability of human nature

2018-11-03 22:19:45 UTC  

What has history to do with it?

2018-11-03 22:19:49 UTC  

This can he explained by biology

2018-11-03 22:19:55 UTC  

Neural plasticity for one

2018-11-03 22:20:28 UTC  

It's also evolutionarily advantageous for humans to have some degree of malleability in order to survive better

2018-11-03 22:20:58 UTC  

Well we can see how many characteristics of human nature have changed based in the conditions people were subjected to

2018-11-03 22:21:26 UTC  

Now, like Marx I think there is a core human nature and that the specifics of this are molded by society. I'm not entirely constructivist

2018-11-03 22:22:09 UTC  

But human nature was in slave based societies like Greece to be different from ours or that of Feudal societies

2018-11-03 22:22:18 UTC  

Honestly, it is just a word game sociologists play. If you really define Constructivism as adaptability to surroundings, then essentialists do not disagree. You present a dichotomy with essentialism and then give a lighter definition.

2018-11-03 22:22:35 UTC  

Essentialists do not say that humans are not affected by sorroundings

2018-11-03 22:22:46 UTC  

The whole idea of Plato's The Republic was that they are

2018-11-03 22:23:03 UTC  

Yes, but you also claim there is an essential being

2018-11-03 22:23:22 UTC  

Yes, and essential being is not full of all properties of humanity

2018-11-03 22:23:26 UTC  

Some metaphysical component to a given thing that makes it that thing

2018-11-03 22:23:33 UTC  

It is mere minimum that makes you a human

2018-11-03 22:23:50 UTC  

Like four wheelers having four wheel does not mean their wind shields do not get scratched

2018-11-03 22:23:55 UTC  

I don't think "human" is a constant unchanging thing however

2018-11-03 22:24:42 UTC  

Humans today are defined not just their their biology but the technology they create which is an extension of themselves

2018-11-03 22:24:43 UTC  

You presented a critique of Essentialism. Have you read what it is?

2018-11-03 22:24:56 UTC  

Yes I have

2018-11-03 22:25:11 UTC  

I quoted what it was a second ago

2018-11-03 22:25:30 UTC  

So, why do you think that Plato did not know that humans in his country did not adapt different lifestyles with changing technology