Message from @PebbЛe

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2018-11-11 03:10:27 UTC  

More lack of economic inequality. The existing social hierarchy would essentially be(or need to be) torn down in the revolution, and rebuilt.

2018-11-11 03:11:32 UTC  

Let the record state that I am by no means a Marxist.

2018-11-11 03:13:00 UTC  

Positing the value of labor, would one not be "richer" under his ability to labor more and effectively to sustain as he wants? In a Marxist society that is

2018-11-11 03:22:01 UTC  

Marx notes in his critique of the Gotha Programme that this is the case before socialist developments dissolve things like scarcity to reach the maxim: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."

So Marxism does not diatribe the "richer" man as seen by, `Thus, with an equal performance of labor, and hence an equal in the social consumption fund, one will in fact receive more than another, one will be richer than another, and so on.` but descriptively notes that, `In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly.`

2018-11-11 03:22:03 UTC  

2018-11-11 03:28:18 UTC  

I'm pretty sure people would be paid for how hard and much they work, but in later stages of communism money would probably be abolished and goods would be produced, as well as luxuries and given to everyone. Initially it would make them "richer" but later on it wouldn't really because everyone would theoretically be working hard-which is essentially what you posted.

2018-11-11 03:29:05 UTC  

Communism would only work with infinite resources

2018-11-11 03:30:18 UTC  

@Shalopy you got it

2018-11-11 03:30:53 UTC  

the transition would face payment via vouchers or another one use specie of exchange

2018-11-11 03:31:05 UTC  

and slowly dissolve from there

2018-11-11 03:32:32 UTC  

probably in this day and age something digital

2018-11-11 03:35:27 UTC  

Yeah, and Communism in the future would probably be after an even greater technological revolution where technology can do and produce pretty much most of what we need. That would essentially allow everyone to develop themselves as individuals, being creative and innovative and all that.

2018-11-11 03:36:04 UTC  

@Shalopy youre spot on, if we look at the fragment on machines in the Grundrisse: `The free development of individualities, and hence not the reduction of necessary labour time so as to posit surplus labour, but rather the general reduction of the necessary labour of society to a minimum, which then corresponds to the artistic, scientific etc. development of the individuals in the time set free, and with the means created, for all of them.`

2018-11-11 03:37:28 UTC  

And then all work (such as being a scientist) would be not for money, but from intrinsic motivation of helping the community/society/other people as well as internal motivation to do good.

2018-11-11 03:39:35 UTC  

Wrong.

2018-11-11 03:40:01 UTC  

The next robotic revolution will see robots surpassing humans in intellectual and creative ability

2018-11-11 03:40:09 UTC  

Including with the abstract

2018-11-11 03:40:18 UTC  

Humans will become an obstacle to the robots

2018-11-11 03:41:02 UTC  

Scientists will not exist

2018-11-11 03:41:51 UTC  

@Shalopy The development of the productive forces freeing up labor time posits that action encompassing leisure, concrete and abstract labor would be done as a genuine aspect of the individuality of a person

2018-11-11 03:42:46 UTC  

passions would be ultimately realized

2018-11-11 03:43:01 UTC  

and would likely fall into the fields of administrating their society

2018-11-11 03:43:07 UTC  

You seem to assume people are naturally good @Shalopy

2018-11-11 03:43:14 UTC  

Which is dangerous to assume.

2018-11-11 03:43:14 UTC  

I'm curious, are you a Marxist/Communist?

2018-11-11 03:43:24 UTC  

I am a Marxist yes

2018-11-11 03:45:12 UTC  

@PebbЛe Do borders exist in late phase Communism

2018-11-11 03:48:10 UTC  

Depends on who you ask

2018-11-11 03:48:24 UTC  

In your opinion

2018-11-11 03:49:13 UTC  

Robots can't take over

2018-11-11 03:49:15 UTC  

I think that most marxists advocate self-determination of a people especially in anti-imperialist or anti-bourgeois culture senses, so it is not crazy to posit that late Communism will have demarcated land

2018-11-11 03:49:24 UTC  

*Slides in EMP*

2018-11-11 03:49:30 UTC  

then again you have radical world communism goofballs who dont understand ethnic and cultural relations

2018-11-11 03:49:36 UTC  

They can take our jobs though So fuck them

2018-11-11 03:50:24 UTC  

Marx thought there was no difference between man and women

2018-11-11 03:50:38 UTC  

Marx was a fucking tranny

2018-11-11 03:50:38 UTC  

thats not true

2018-11-11 03:50:46 UTC  

Read his Manifesto

2018-11-11 03:50:51 UTC  

i did

2018-11-11 03:51:10 UTC  

It said to deal away with societal differences between men and women

2018-11-11 03:51:14 UTC  

That both are equal