look at every communist/post communist country

compare it to any western liberal democracy today

@The Big Oof Communism is as degenerate. Why do you think Communists won't support women's sexual freedom. Engels and Marx were cucks

which ones are more traditional

I'm not a communist

They have a lot of problems with corruption, abortion and poverty though

That is because those places were very religious, even when they were Communists

I know. I am saying that Communists would want every thing that liberals want

They don't succeed

Did they succeed in China?

And it kinda varies honestly. The Czech Republic is like the most atheist country on earth when Poland is one of the most religious.

China is more fascist than communist tbh

china isnt communist fight me cunt

@Fingol The Czech Republic is atheist but it's not even the same

China is crypto-communist with a market economy

as a country like Sweden

no

it's not at all communist

Name an aspect of China that is communist

State atheism is the only thing that comes to mind

Communism is better than liberalism because communism usually turns into some form of nationalism later down the line

If gay rights came before Communism. Marx would be selling rainbows

Marx and Engels hated faggots, but either way, it doesn't matter.

Yes, because almost everyone did at that time

You're trying to convince me that communism is bad when I'm already past that

Also, about the czech republic earlier

the Czech Republic is one of the whitest countries in Europe @Fingol

I am convincing you that it is worse than liberalism

I'm not convinced

It's still atheist

Okay, and?

Well, then I am not sure how can I convince you more. There is not a single virtue that Communism preserves that liberalism does not.

it's better than Poland demographically

much better

okay

"much better" is an overstatement

but Poland is starting to take in migrants as well from Asia

czechia isn't really doing that on the same scale

Poland is much healthier morally. And no Poland hasn't taken any refugees at least.

I did not say refugees

I said migrants