Message from @woz

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2018-12-02 10:31:47 UTC  

you can approach the issue in two ways;
a) because the object consists of different parts then it it isnt the same, but then... it is the more object-oriented approach rather than idea-oriented approach.
b) you can define the object as a physical form and then across the time axis observe three-dimensional slices of physical atribbutes of that object changing.
Theoretically, the shape remains the same.

"in taking such an approach, all four-dimensional objects remain numerically identical to themselves while allowing individual time-slices to differ from each other."

it is like imaging a three dimentional field, like... volume that remains the same over the time but consists of different sub-products.

At least this is what I think that they could mean?

2018-12-02 10:32:53 UTC  

Ok so you projected the object to encompass all future possibilities?

2018-12-02 10:33:10 UTC  

How do you know

2018-12-02 10:33:30 UTC  

Before the time event what the configuration would be

2018-12-02 10:34:25 UTC  

I dont understand

2018-12-02 10:35:01 UTC  

So you take time as an axis

2018-12-02 10:35:20 UTC  

How do you know how it plays out before it happens

2018-12-02 10:35:58 UTC  

It only solves the paradox considering you know the future

2018-12-02 10:36:13 UTC  

Backwards

2018-12-02 10:36:31 UTC  

But since we live in real time then it doesn’t tell us nothing

2018-12-02 10:37:05 UTC  

I cant understand your question, but I approach everything in life as a set of attributes tied (as a function) with a specific event in time

there might be many unique objects in the same time, but never the same object belongs to two different *times*
it must be different, it is.

2018-12-02 10:37:30 UTC  

Forward in time a lot of configurations could be possible that comply with the essence of the thing

2018-12-02 10:38:08 UTC  

When I mean a lot I mean infinite in practice

2018-12-02 10:38:54 UTC  

Yes this explanation works if you know what happened

2018-12-02 10:39:22 UTC  

an object such as ship is never the original object outside of the very specific event on the time axis.
The post and pre axis-specified events are always attached to the *same* object that isnt the same as at other points of time.

Thats why I would approach the whole "paradox" as only an object representing a non-physical idea or fulfilling some sort of a x-dimentional field of attributes.

I dont know.

2018-12-02 10:39:30 UTC  

To say a ship in the past was a ship you map all their atoms for all its history

2018-12-02 10:39:59 UTC  

And then you say the object is four dimensional

2018-12-02 10:40:06 UTC  

an object may represent the broad idea of a ship

2018-12-02 10:40:26 UTC  

well, an object is always four dimentional hmm.
Or maybe every object is a three dimensional thing that is attached to the point in time-axis

2018-12-02 10:40:36 UTC  

Ok but the broad idea of a ship is infinite if you try to map it to a physical reality

2018-12-02 10:40:52 UTC  

planks could be made of wood or steel

2018-12-02 10:41:08 UTC  

depends on how broad the idea is

2018-12-02 10:41:32 UTC  

A ship isn’t really the broadest of all

2018-12-02 10:41:54 UTC  

But I would say that there are less and more broad ideas

2018-12-02 10:42:29 UTC  

anyway, the whole point was that the ships are a broad idea, as much as humans are to me

2018-12-02 10:42:39 UTC  

and you might call them the same but they never are

2018-12-02 10:43:00 UTC  

searching for physical attributes of an object makes perfect sense to me

2018-12-02 10:43:08 UTC  

Have to leave now. Nice talking to you

2018-12-02 10:43:15 UTC  

Yeah, I gotta go too. Cya

2018-12-03 04:22:34 UTC  

I wouldn't really call the Theseus problem a "paradox"

2018-12-03 04:23:09 UTC  

it all depends on what the individual considers to be "same"

2018-12-03 04:23:13 UTC  

or "original"

2018-12-03 04:23:27 UTC  

things like these are

2018-12-03 04:23:30 UTC  

human concepts / ideas

2018-12-03 04:24:29 UTC  

i've seen a variant of this problem before, if you slowly replace your entire body with cybernetic parts, one by one, is that still you

2018-12-03 04:24:30 UTC  

etc

2018-12-03 04:32:26 UTC  

identity is a concept made by people to understand things better
for me i think the ship is the same, even when it was still sailing it most likely had to be repaired at least once or twice, but its still the same ship

2018-12-03 10:32:40 UTC  

I would say it depends on the rate of change