Message from @woz
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you can approach the issue in two ways;
a) because the object consists of different parts then it it isnt the same, but then... it is the more object-oriented approach rather than idea-oriented approach.
b) you can define the object as a physical form and then across the time axis observe three-dimensional slices of physical atribbutes of that object changing.
Theoretically, the shape remains the same.
"in taking such an approach, all four-dimensional objects remain numerically identical to themselves while allowing individual time-slices to differ from each other."
it is like imaging a three dimentional field, like... volume that remains the same over the time but consists of different sub-products.
At least this is what I think that they could mean?
Ok so you projected the object to encompass all future possibilities?
How do you know
Before the time event what the configuration would be
I dont understand
So you take time as an axis
How do you know how it plays out before it happens
It only solves the paradox considering you know the future
Backwards
But since we live in real time then it doesn’t tell us nothing
I cant understand your question, but I approach everything in life as a set of attributes tied (as a function) with a specific event in time
there might be many unique objects in the same time, but never the same object belongs to two different *times*
it must be different, it is.
Forward in time a lot of configurations could be possible that comply with the essence of the thing
When I mean a lot I mean infinite in practice
Yes this explanation works if you know what happened
an object such as ship is never the original object outside of the very specific event on the time axis.
The post and pre axis-specified events are always attached to the *same* object that isnt the same as at other points of time.
Thats why I would approach the whole "paradox" as only an object representing a non-physical idea or fulfilling some sort of a x-dimentional field of attributes.
I dont know.
To say a ship in the past was a ship you map all their atoms for all its history
And then you say the object is four dimensional
an object may represent the broad idea of a ship
well, an object is always four dimentional hmm.
Or maybe every object is a three dimensional thing that is attached to the point in time-axis
Ok but the broad idea of a ship is infinite if you try to map it to a physical reality
depends on how broad the idea is
A ship isn’t really the broadest of all
But I would say that there are less and more broad ideas
anyway, the whole point was that the ships are a broad idea, as much as humans are to me
and you might call them the same but they never are
searching for physical attributes of an object makes perfect sense to me
Have to leave now. Nice talking to you
Yeah, I gotta go too. Cya
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I wouldn't really call the Theseus problem a "paradox"
it all depends on what the individual considers to be "same"
or "original"
things like these are
human concepts / ideas
i've seen a variant of this problem before, if you slowly replace your entire body with cybernetic parts, one by one, is that still you
etc
identity is a concept made by people to understand things better
for me i think the ship is the same, even when it was still sailing it most likely had to be repaired at least once or twice, but its still the same ship
I would say it depends on the rate of change