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2018-12-02 10:31:26 UTC  

Logic can take you anywhere depending on where you start

2018-12-02 10:31:35 UTC  

Also machines crash and we don’t

2018-12-02 10:31:47 UTC  

you can approach the issue in two ways;
a) because the object consists of different parts then it it isnt the same, but then... it is the more object-oriented approach rather than idea-oriented approach.
b) you can define the object as a physical form and then across the time axis observe three-dimensional slices of physical atribbutes of that object changing.
Theoretically, the shape remains the same.

"in taking such an approach, all four-dimensional objects remain numerically identical to themselves while allowing individual time-slices to differ from each other."

it is like imaging a three dimentional field, like... volume that remains the same over the time but consists of different sub-products.

At least this is what I think that they could mean?

2018-12-02 10:32:53 UTC  

Ok so you projected the object to encompass all future possibilities?

2018-12-02 10:33:10 UTC  

How do you know

2018-12-02 10:33:30 UTC  

Before the time event what the configuration would be

2018-12-02 10:34:25 UTC  

I dont understand

2018-12-02 10:35:01 UTC  

So you take time as an axis

2018-12-02 10:35:20 UTC  

How do you know how it plays out before it happens

2018-12-02 10:35:58 UTC  

It only solves the paradox considering you know the future

2018-12-02 10:36:13 UTC  

Backwards

2018-12-02 10:36:31 UTC  

But since we live in real time then it doesn’t tell us nothing

2018-12-02 10:37:05 UTC  

I cant understand your question, but I approach everything in life as a set of attributes tied (as a function) with a specific event in time

there might be many unique objects in the same time, but never the same object belongs to two different *times*
it must be different, it is.

2018-12-02 10:37:30 UTC  

Forward in time a lot of configurations could be possible that comply with the essence of the thing

2018-12-02 10:38:08 UTC  

When I mean a lot I mean infinite in practice

2018-12-02 10:38:54 UTC  

Yes this explanation works if you know what happened

2018-12-02 10:39:22 UTC  

an object such as ship is never the original object outside of the very specific event on the time axis.
The post and pre axis-specified events are always attached to the *same* object that isnt the same as at other points of time.

Thats why I would approach the whole "paradox" as only an object representing a non-physical idea or fulfilling some sort of a x-dimentional field of attributes.

I dont know.

2018-12-02 10:39:30 UTC  

To say a ship in the past was a ship you map all their atoms for all its history

2018-12-02 10:39:59 UTC  

And then you say the object is four dimensional

2018-12-02 10:40:06 UTC  

an object may represent the broad idea of a ship

2018-12-02 10:40:26 UTC  

well, an object is always four dimentional hmm.
Or maybe every object is a three dimensional thing that is attached to the point in time-axis

2018-12-02 10:40:36 UTC  

Ok but the broad idea of a ship is infinite if you try to map it to a physical reality

2018-12-02 10:40:52 UTC  

planks could be made of wood or steel

2018-12-02 10:41:08 UTC  

depends on how broad the idea is

2018-12-02 10:41:32 UTC  

A ship isn’t really the broadest of all

2018-12-02 10:41:54 UTC  

But I would say that there are less and more broad ideas

2018-12-02 10:42:29 UTC  

anyway, the whole point was that the ships are a broad idea, as much as humans are to me

2018-12-02 10:42:39 UTC  

and you might call them the same but they never are

2018-12-02 10:43:00 UTC  

searching for physical attributes of an object makes perfect sense to me

2018-12-02 10:43:08 UTC  

Have to leave now. Nice talking to you

2018-12-02 10:43:15 UTC  

Yeah, I gotta go too. Cya

2018-12-03 04:22:34 UTC  

I wouldn't really call the Theseus problem a "paradox"

2018-12-03 04:23:09 UTC  

it all depends on what the individual considers to be "same"

2018-12-03 04:23:13 UTC  

or "original"

2018-12-03 04:23:27 UTC  

things like these are

2018-12-03 04:23:30 UTC  

human concepts / ideas

2018-12-03 04:24:29 UTC  

i've seen a variant of this problem before, if you slowly replace your entire body with cybernetic parts, one by one, is that still you

2018-12-03 04:24:30 UTC  

etc