I'm fine with that

I don't want to radically restructure society

people who do that end up with grave results each time

I don't necessarily want to either, because it will restructure itself, I believe. The real problem with any political debate is that they all end up with people talking past each other. You and I could debate the place of minorities every day of the rest of our lives. But until we address the underlying principles behind what informs our opinions, it's meaningless

The real argument you and I were having this whole time was the degree to which humans can escape nature

rather, how severe is that aspect of nature and how much can we trust the results on it

nevermind how ethical or wise it would be structuring society on in your framework, deconstructing it and letting it restructure itself

arguebly, if humans are how you say they are, and society used to plainly reflect it

then where we are is how precisely how society has structured itself

Yeah

Is that to say I'm wrong because America is not in a state of disrepair?

you're wrong to jump to conclusions when we barely have any relevant studies

you might be an actor in society structuring itself

currently, there is a wave of anti-white rhetoric

and the path of whites becoming a minority

no one is saying you shouldn't react to it

what I am suggesting is that you should be react to it within its structure, as understood by the constitution, basic morals etc

as opposed to restructuring it

and let's face it

if you violently dismantle the gov

and then "allow it to restructure"

as you put it

that's still you restructuring it - you're just not having any input beyond a certain point

it's analogous to pavlov's dog - you're still teaching it what to do if you keep smacking it each time it does something what you don't want it do

it just gets there by process of elimination

Where are you saying it goes by the process of elimination?

I'm imaging a naive model with finite options

I really mean that you're imposing it to search for the outcome that you're looking for

being the ethnostate, I assume you mean in this case

yup

because you don't know

you might toppple the gov

and then it naturally restructures itself into something worse

and then you gotta topple it again

Yeah, what I'm saying is that anything not organized according to nature will eat itself

marx was also an armchair anthropologist

That he was

and his idea to topple the bourgoise didn't end up in anything better

despite his model suggesting it would

it's dangerous to much such extreme decisions on such an inexact science

my eyes are getting blurry