Message from @ccalvaru
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(Read Romans 1:7; 1st Colossians 1:2)
There are many instances of people bowing/kneeling before people in the Bible - that act is not worship. And the kissing of feet is a sign of respect, not pagan worship.
What do you define as primitive Church? The apostolic and early Church fathers wrote of asking saints/angels to pray for them as early as 80 AD.
Theres also the celibacy of priests
The celibacy of the priesthood was decreed by Pope Hildebrand, Boniface VII, not by God.
Jesus imposed no such rule, nor did any of the apostles. On the contrary, St. Peter was a married man, and St. Paul says that bishops were to have wife and children.
The temporal power of Popes cannot be sinful either, unless you view the temporal power of kings as sinful, which the Bible advocates.
St. Paul advocates celibacy, and Christ Himself was celibate, so it obviously has virtue.
The sale of Indulgences, commonly regarded as a purchase of forgiveness and a permit to indulge in sin.
Christianity, as taught in the Bible, condemns such a traffic and it was the protest against this traffic that brought on the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century.
St. Peter isn't declaring that bishops must be married either, just that they cannot be divorced/remarried.
The church enforces celibacy though to become a priest
Also, the Pope *is* a king.
So yes
Actually not true, many Eastern rite priests are married. It's just a discipline, not a dogma.
Confession of sin to the priest at least once a year was instituted by Pope Innocent III., in the Lateran Council. The Bible commands us to confess our sins direct to God. (Read Psalm 51:1-10; Luke 7:48; 15:21; 1st John 1:8-9).
Selling of indulgences were historically distorted and overemphasized.
It still happen
From and by the Catholic Church
Jesus literally gave the apostles the authority to forgive sins.
The doctrine of Purgatory was proclaimed as a dogma of faith by Council of Florence
There is not one word in the Bible that would teach the purgatory of priests. The blood of Jesus Christ cleanseth us from all sins. (Read 1st John 1:7-9; 2:1-2; John 5:24; Romans 8:1).
And that apostolic authority is handed down to priests. So Catholics confess their sins to God, through the presence of the priest, as a representative of God.
I dont believe that bishops, or the pope is a representative of God
You literally don't address anything I say. You just continue to list distortions of historical events and blatantly misinterpret Catholic teachings. Are you copying and pasting this from somewhere?
Also im not in favor that "tradition is on equal authority with the bible"
I did address some
Pope *is* a king
John 20:21 is literally Jesus telling the apostles they are representatives of Him. Priests/bishops are the successors of the apostles.
The apostles are no longer around
Currently i disagree, show me where it says Bishops are successors of the apostles
What is wrong with the idea of a king? The Bible advocates for the authority of kings as derived by God. The Pope's temporal and spiritual authority is thus derived by God.
The church is more politics than it is religion
its deluded
Its spirituality is not valid i'd argue
If so, a bunch of faggot molestors are successors of the Apostles? (to the apostle issue)
If you're actually interested
ill read
"VICARIVS FILII DEI." -- V-5, I-1; C-100, I-1; V-S, I-1; L-50, I-1; I-1; D-500, I-l — Total, 666.
Do you condemn the apostles because of the actions of Judas?
"2 I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him." How this have to do anything with apostle succession