Message from @ccalvaru
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Baptist is such a vague term too, there are thousands of different branches.
Indeed
I agree with "That faith is a matter between God and the individual"
Every Christian in the world claims to believe that. It is not unique to "Baptist".
Protestantism is logically indefensible because it's result is thousands of different denominations that can't agree on any basic tenets of belief, but arbitrarily throw out parts of Christian Tradition they dislike. The various Protestant branches have no legitimate claim to authority, and rely on claims of a Great Apostasy that, if logically followed, would render Christianity an almost abject failure.
I don't think they are trying to seek authority mate
I think they are just following God in their own way
Which i dont see anything wrong with until it borders with homosexuality or other degenerate shit
Following God in your own way almost always leads to that. That's why most mainline Prot denominations accept those things.
The others just create God in their own image, to suit their own needs/emotions
God is vauge to us and you cant really think you know exactly what he 'is' in an image of sorts.
Knowledge of God can be achieved through reason.
I agree
Obviously not totally, but God isn't a vague concept. The point of Christianity is to know God.
But even close to the knowledge needed to define him? No.
You're acting like God is a vague concept, incomprehensible to humans, which is antithetical to the point of Christianity (ie the Incarnation).
The main issue i have with catholics is their egotistical behavior and the whole Marry issue
God is so absolute we cannot understand him, he is infinitely incomprehensible.
Jesus was a way for us to try to grapple with this issue [a secondary thing, the primary is obv to save]
Veneration of Mary is intrinsic to historic Christianity, so that should not be an issue. And the behavior of individual Catholics shouldn't interfere with how you view the actual beliefs.
God is incomprehensible in many ways and absolute. But you have to be careful not to reduce the personal nature of God just to emphasize other aspects of God.
Believe it or not traditional protestant churches exist, i go to one.
Literally all of the Church Fathers (who were directly taught by the apostles and their succesors) wrote about the values/virtues of Mary. And some of the Prot "Reformers" held very "Catholic" views of Mary.
Protestantism is antithetical to Tradition though. The moment a significant portion disagrees with an element of a tradition, they will just start their own church.
Praying to marry is something i'd strongly opposed to, i view it as a sin.
Protestantism was originally about pointing out the flaws in the catholic church, but they refused to fix them, and many faults still exist in the Catholic Church.
"Praying to Mary" is literally just asking Mary to pray for you though. That shouldn't be a problem, unless you view asking other Christians to pray for you as sinful.
The Bible teaches that we pray to God alone. In the primitive church never were prayers directed to Mary, or to dead saints. This practice began in the Roman Church.
(Matthew 11:28; Luke 1:46; Acts 10:25-26; 14:14-18)
There's also kissing of the popes feet
Which the bible forbids
It started as a pagan custom
The Temporal power of the Popes is also sinful
Jesus expressly forbade such a thing, and He himself refused worldly kingship. (Read Matthew 4:8-9; 20:25-26; John 18:38).
wth
There's also the canonization of saints @ccalvaru
Which is utter nonsense
Since the bible teaches ALL believes are saints
(Read Romans 1:7; 1st Colossians 1:2)
There are many instances of people bowing/kneeling before people in the Bible - that act is not worship. And the kissing of feet is a sign of respect, not pagan worship.
What do you define as primitive Church? The apostolic and early Church fathers wrote of asking saints/angels to pray for them as early as 80 AD.
Theres also the celibacy of priests