Message from @ccalvaru

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2018-08-01 08:45:06 UTC  

Baptist is such a vague term too, there are thousands of different branches.

2018-08-01 08:45:16 UTC  

Indeed

2018-08-01 08:45:26 UTC  

I agree with "That faith is a matter between God and the individual"

2018-08-01 08:45:55 UTC  

Every Christian in the world claims to believe that. It is not unique to "Baptist".

2018-08-01 08:48:18 UTC  

Protestantism is logically indefensible because it's result is thousands of different denominations that can't agree on any basic tenets of belief, but arbitrarily throw out parts of Christian Tradition they dislike. The various Protestant branches have no legitimate claim to authority, and rely on claims of a Great Apostasy that, if logically followed, would render Christianity an almost abject failure.

2018-08-01 08:48:53 UTC  

I don't think they are trying to seek authority mate

2018-08-01 08:49:03 UTC  

I think they are just following God in their own way

2018-08-01 08:49:23 UTC  

Which i dont see anything wrong with until it borders with homosexuality or other degenerate shit

2018-08-01 08:49:59 UTC  

Following God in your own way almost always leads to that. That's why most mainline Prot denominations accept those things.

2018-08-01 08:50:19 UTC  

The others just create God in their own image, to suit their own needs/emotions

2018-08-01 08:50:50 UTC  

God is vauge to us and you cant really think you know exactly what he 'is' in an image of sorts.

2018-08-01 08:51:25 UTC  

Knowledge of God can be achieved through reason.

2018-08-01 08:51:39 UTC  

I agree

2018-08-01 08:51:53 UTC  

Obviously not totally, but God isn't a vague concept. The point of Christianity is to know God.

2018-08-01 08:51:53 UTC  

But even close to the knowledge needed to define him? No.

2018-08-01 08:52:59 UTC  

You're acting like God is a vague concept, incomprehensible to humans, which is antithetical to the point of Christianity (ie the Incarnation).

2018-08-01 08:53:07 UTC  

The main issue i have with catholics is their egotistical behavior and the whole Marry issue

2018-08-01 08:53:43 UTC  

God is so absolute we cannot understand him, he is infinitely incomprehensible.

2018-08-01 08:53:54 UTC  

Jesus was a way for us to try to grapple with this issue [a secondary thing, the primary is obv to save]

2018-08-01 08:54:43 UTC  

Veneration of Mary is intrinsic to historic Christianity, so that should not be an issue. And the behavior of individual Catholics shouldn't interfere with how you view the actual beliefs.

2018-08-01 08:55:33 UTC  

God is incomprehensible in many ways and absolute. But you have to be careful not to reduce the personal nature of God just to emphasize other aspects of God.

2018-08-01 08:56:27 UTC  

Believe it or not traditional protestant churches exist, i go to one.

2018-08-01 08:56:46 UTC  

Literally all of the Church Fathers (who were directly taught by the apostles and their succesors) wrote about the values/virtues of Mary. And some of the Prot "Reformers" held very "Catholic" views of Mary.

2018-08-01 08:57:39 UTC  

Protestantism is antithetical to Tradition though. The moment a significant portion disagrees with an element of a tradition, they will just start their own church.

2018-08-01 08:58:50 UTC  

Praying to marry is something i'd strongly opposed to, i view it as a sin.

2018-08-01 08:59:35 UTC  

Protestantism was originally about pointing out the flaws in the catholic church, but they refused to fix them, and many faults still exist in the Catholic Church.

2018-08-01 09:00:02 UTC  

"Praying to Mary" is literally just asking Mary to pray for you though. That shouldn't be a problem, unless you view asking other Christians to pray for you as sinful.

2018-08-01 09:00:37 UTC  

The Bible teaches that we pray to God alone. In the primitive church never were prayers directed to Mary, or to dead saints. This practice began in the Roman Church.

(Matthew 11:28; Luke 1:46; Acts 10:25-26; 14:14-18)

2018-08-01 09:01:07 UTC  

There's also kissing of the popes feet

2018-08-01 09:01:12 UTC  

Which the bible forbids

2018-08-01 09:01:21 UTC  

It started as a pagan custom

2018-08-01 09:01:43 UTC  

The Temporal power of the Popes is also sinful

2018-08-01 09:01:50 UTC  

Jesus expressly forbade such a thing, and He himself refused worldly kingship. (Read Matthew 4:8-9; 20:25-26; John 18:38).

2018-08-01 09:01:54 UTC  

wth

2018-08-01 09:02:47 UTC  

There's also the canonization of saints @ccalvaru

2018-08-01 09:02:57 UTC  

Which is utter nonsense

2018-08-01 09:03:06 UTC  

Since the bible teaches ALL believes are saints

2018-08-01 09:03:22 UTC  

(Read Romans 1:7; 1st Colossians 1:2)

2018-08-01 09:03:59 UTC  

There are many instances of people bowing/kneeling before people in the Bible - that act is not worship. And the kissing of feet is a sign of respect, not pagan worship.

2018-08-01 09:04:50 UTC  

What do you define as primitive Church? The apostolic and early Church fathers wrote of asking saints/angels to pray for them as early as 80 AD.

2018-08-01 09:05:12 UTC  

Theres also the celibacy of priests