@ham addition i'm curious about what your definition of 'extreme' is that it includes Breitbart and excludes Bernie Sanders though

@εïз irma εïз no, the military is a basic and essential role of the state

Socialism =/= Redistribution of wealth

Marx and Proudhon vehemently disagreed over everybody getting the same equitable amount of wealth.

You're just in a bubble.

@εïз irma εïз where did I say the same?

You said that social programs are socialist because they redistribute wealth to the poor from the rich.

@Doctor Anon i never called breitbart extreme, i said that i personally considered them to be hard-right

The logical conclusion of that is that socialism means redistribution of wealth.

But Bernie not hard left?

Ironic

not really

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@εïз irma εïз that is not logical at all, give an argument or there is no logic

Hahahaha >Bernie is not hard left

I'm not making an argument, I'm interpreting what you said. And no, an argument is not a prerequisite for logic.

You said social programs were socialist because they redistribute wealth. Is this not what you said?

Bernie. Not hard left

What drugs are you on commie

Bernie is certainly hard left within American politics but that's not saying much considering both parties are corporate shills.

Within political philosophy as a whole he's just a left libertarian.

yeah i’ve been saying this from an international point of view

There is no "international" standard for that

i would consider bernie to be hard-left in an american context only but not compared internationally

@εïз irma εïз argument is the basis of logic

It's subjective to each country

Okay, Campodin. You made no argument. You made a statement. You have no logic.

@ham addition

Say something of substance or say nothing at all.

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Maybe I just imagined you saying this.

I don't get enough sleep.

Involuntary redistribution of wealth is Socialism

Shut up you filthy commie

@εïз irma εïз look higher

Socialism is the proletariat owning the means of production, and more specifically in an orthodox Marxian sense the stage where the proletariat has their MOP owned on behalf of the dictatorship of the proletariat.

Because I made my argument here: Social programs take the capital (means of production) from the wealthy and redistribute it to the poor

Hurr Durr they disagreed on yes or no who gives a shit the majority of people see it as Socialism

Hurr Durr that's not real Socialism

???? You said the same thing.