@campodin well the right wing is historically about inequality or hierarchy

something like tat

That some men are exceptional

Some men have the right to rule

The problem is that equality is part of the current narrative

YOu can make the idea of inequality paired with purpose

i like how this conversation went from how shit the right wing populist parties in europe are for not sticking to what they were elected for to saying why right wing populist parties are great

@ham addition conservative, not populist

I wasn't here for the beginning of that conversation @ham addition

would ukip not be considered populist?

Idk I don't use the term populist usually

It's kind of an empty word

I think with my method you have the chance to hijack the narrative. You establish yourself as a person without hate, but simply love for a group. You then move to showing purpose with even simple stories that are largely symbolic. "Jaromir was a carpenter, the son of a farmer, who proved his value in battle and as a father"

some poetic shit like that

Ukip are kind of capitalists and civic nationalists I guess

You imply value to vertain roles that are traditional

I don't know that ukip is particularly populist, they hardly have any defined positions besides independence

@Bogatyr Bogumir well I think there's a way to make hierarchy very "sexy" and romanticized if you use the idea of noblesse oblige

Like call for a great man or a great elite to rise to power and then use this power to help the people at the bottom

What the left constantly does when it comes to morality and thought is they basically beg the question -> "Little timmy has food, Jarome is poor and doesnt have food, Timmy gives his white friend Jeremy a bit of his food because Jeremy didnt bring lunch, but Jeremy is not poor. Jarome goes home hungry. Is what timmy did right?" I see this kind of messaging constant in their speeches. Its absolutely retarded and its used in schools contantly

A benevolent aristocrat

In a way I can see that However that mandates that every man have the oppertunity to prove his valor, his greatness in whtever way he is great, rather than creating an elite class, create elites in their own ways.

make persuit of excellence at the cost of other skills desirable.

IMO this would naturally lead to an elite (Which IMO MUST exist)

This is different from an attempt to abandon the aristocracy and hierarchy which is the left wing goal. Rather it is affirming that elites are good when they do their job right

Promote natural elites?

Perhaps idk you don't have to do any of this. It's all about strategy

I think this is all tertiary

Also you need clear goals, these goals will justify setting up this elite in a position of power to use the power in pursuit of the noble goal

It's the whole thrust of the movement

These goals will naturally follow from the "first principles" of this new right wing movement

@campodin @Bogatyr Bogumir thoughts?

hmmmm I like the idea of elites however IMO elites should be a staple of the highest culture honor etc. Rather than simply best at getting ot the top of society which favors psychopaths

in that way I do enjoy aristocracy, i dont mid them being rich,

however them directly leading may cause issues

Distributist discusses the fact that the alt-right have bad leaders. So the question is how do you weed out bad leaders? We don't want to be crippled before we even get out the gate.

hmmm IMO the best leaders arise on their own, and are simply often elected in small movements. Hell Spencer was launched into the stratosphere by the mainstream

I don't believe Spencer is a good leader

It means the mainstream wants him as the figurehead. Genrally its a good idea ot make sure that you have simply also the smartest and brightst leading the movment

yeah no hes not

I wouldnt be suprised if hes not controlled opposition, the fact that the mainstream invited him is telling