```“As between one country, one province and even one place and another, living conditions will always evince a certain inequality which may be reduced to a minimum but never wholly eliminated. The living conditions of Alpine dwellers will always be different from those of the plainsmen. The concept of a socialist society as a realm of equality is a one-sided French concept deriving from the old “liberty, equality, fraternity,” a concept which was justified in that, in its own time and place, it signified a phase of development, but which, like all the one-sided ideas of earlier socialist schools, ought now to be superseded, since they produce nothing but mental confusion, and more accurate ways of presenting the matter have been discovered.”```

This is a quote from Engles on the notion of equality

This is something from the transition from Utopian Socialism, that of Henri de Saint-Simon, Charles Fourier, Étienne Cabet and Robert Owen. In response to the failure of these ideas Scientific Socialism was developed, namely by Marx, however other people such as Georges Sorel also developed socialism along practical and scientific terms

This is actually a very common thing, that people don't know just how much of a philosophical science Marxism is

abolishing different classes makes everyone equal

That's nonsense

abolishing different classes in team fortress 2 would make everyone equal

if everyone was the same class

People will work different hours and thus get different pays. Even with the concept of "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need." Inherently implies a difference in need. My needs and your needs are different and an equality will inherently exist

Classes in team Fortress 2 are not class in the economic sense

For example scientists, doctors, engineers and such will still exists. So will factory workers, janitors and artists

Class is the dynamic between a ruling class and a subjugated class

In capitalism this is the capitalist and worker, in Feudalism this was the Landlord and Serf

Slavery, master and slave

isnt then capitalism better

Better than what?

cause instead of state owning every factory

people own them

even more redistribution

🤔

Some people own the industry in Capitalism, in communism the means of production would be held in common by everyone

but every single time the state owned everything

This being brought under the state is one way you can attempt to achieve public ownership, but it is by no means the only way

Actually this is false

enough with the theories and what SHOULD be

Collective farms for example we're collective, not public, property

They were owned by collectives, not the state

There were also co-operatives in the USSR

Three different kinds of property

State, Collectives and Co-Operatives, and during certain periods even private property existed

how does a collective own something

The entirety of who works the place makes decisions on how it will be run and such

hmm

So a democratic corporation?

In this case they still worked under commodity production so how the money they received from their products would be used was decided by meetings and such, if they were too large, likely by vote

Yeah I guess o was basically saying that

That seems wildly inefficient

In the case of state own industries they would election one of their co-workers to the soviets, actually I think all work places would election representatives to the soviets to represent them

Not really, considering the GDP nearly rivalled the USA on a number of occasions

Usually managers are elected as well

So it's not like bosses don't exist, it's that everyone have power in the work place and your boss is accountable to you