Message from @Bigsoap Extreme

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2018-11-10 19:36:57 UTC  

TRC should be named the retard consortium

2018-11-10 19:37:11 UTC  

Well, if we continue having people like you

2018-11-10 19:37:13 UTC  

then yes

2018-11-10 19:38:03 UTC  

I'm the only one with argumentation skills and honesty

2018-11-10 19:38:23 UTC  

Half of you right wing cucks copy paste and intentionally conflate points or miss context on purpose

2018-11-10 19:39:02 UTC  

Argumentation skills when your most solid argument is " i don't need to prove it because apriori ".
You have to be that delusional to be a Marxist

2018-11-10 19:39:06 UTC  

So, that is a good fit

2018-11-10 19:41:16 UTC  

I made arguments the whole time

2018-11-10 19:41:25 UTC  

What I said was a priori

2018-11-10 19:41:39 UTC  

And you didn't use a posteriori to prove me wrong

2018-11-10 19:42:10 UTC  

The fact you are latching onto that shows you don't want to confront other points I said

2018-11-10 19:42:54 UTC  

The statement about what everyone considers is empirical in nature. Please read philosophy.
No, because I don't want to debate a guy who does not need to prove his claims but I have to. It is like playing with pigs and trying to not get dirty

2018-11-10 19:46:00 UTC  

I have a lot of philosophy under my belt lol and I made a singular priori statement to an idiot who I wasn't even arguing with

2018-11-10 19:46:20 UTC  

You weren't part of the discussion of Nazi Germany by saying something completely unrrlated

2018-11-10 19:47:24 UTC  

Yes, maybe, Marx's philosophy not actual philosophy. Next is Marx's metaphysics.
Until you completely scratch away every poop bit from Marx's anus

2018-11-10 19:48:46 UTC  

Plato to Aquinas, you name it

2018-11-10 19:48:54 UTC  

You'd be surprised how monistic Marx is

2018-11-10 19:55:48 UTC  

Lol, Plato would be rolling in his grave. Marx is not monistic, except in a deep sense of his fetish towards materialism. Plato actually advised against people like Marx.

2018-11-10 19:59:15 UTC  

Marx is monistic

2018-11-10 20:01:52 UTC  

Lol, that is butchering of Monism, but ok

2018-11-10 20:02:24 UTC  

Marxism: the outcry of the useless and the banner of the degenerate

2018-11-10 20:04:19 UTC  

without even getting into comparing marxist and platonic monism one can easily see that Marxism is monist due to appealing to the irreducibility of ontology to the mind

2018-11-10 20:05:20 UTC  

That is not even what Monism is. But ok

2018-11-10 20:06:04 UTC  

it affirms monism

2018-11-10 20:06:20 UTC  

particularly physicalism

2018-11-10 20:06:44 UTC  

That is a huge difference, lol. It also affirms dualism. Dualism also says that ontology cannot be reduced to mind. That is why there is mind + matter

2018-11-10 20:07:18 UTC  

but since Marx is a clear materialist he isn't dualist

2018-11-10 20:07:26 UTC  

kind of a redundant statement to make

2018-11-10 20:09:40 UTC  

You don't understand philosophy and logic. You said _"Marxism is monist due to appealing to the irreducibility of ontology to the mind"_
So, according to that statement, if you know English, that based on just the information appearing after "due to", one could infer whether he was a Monist or not.
But you need other information for it. This is why I know that you don't know what apriori and posteriori is

2018-11-10 20:11:41 UTC  

lol what

we opened up this conversation with you talking about marx's materialism, the fact that that materialism posits irreducibility of ontology to the mind means it cannot share mind-dependence at the level of substance either which makes the statement of dualism extra redundant

2018-11-10 20:11:55 UTC  

and i know what prioris and posterioris, and i also know that they are unrelated to what we are talking about

2018-11-10 20:12:01 UTC  

tell me why marxism is not monistic

2018-11-10 20:16:24 UTC  

Wow, running away from another claim. That is strike 2. Please understand that your statements must be self sufficient.
Apriori would be definition of Monism
Posteriori would be the knowledge of the fact that Marx was not a dualist
So, they both are applicable here.

Marxism assumes Monism but contradicts that elsewhere. This is why it is "butchering of Monism".
Marx's and Engels' assessment was that the changing scenarios lead to the development of classes. One of the examples was what Engels' (if I recall correctly) wrote cause the _historic defeat of female sex_
But then later Marx and Engels posit that a societal revolution would be a success, which needs free will, which materialism cannot provide

2018-11-10 20:25:39 UTC  

It's not me running away from a claim, you're just wrong and it's said why you are wrong

you have just shown that you don't know what prioris or posterioris are either. if you read kant you'd know that prioris are deductional posits and posterioris are empirical, one is independent of experience and one relies on it through observation and experimentation. they do not fit at all here and your attempted use has them backwards

but please stay on topic for once

Marxism is monist in that the matter - material conditions, are the substrate upon all developments in reality - this is the crux of materialism.

The fact that Marx and Engels affirm Spinoza and a look at Ilyenkov's *Dialectical Logic* shows that the dialectical of structure of the change via contradiction is determinist in itself

2018-11-10 20:25:50 UTC  

and not reliant on free will but necessity of the contradiction

2018-11-10 20:26:15 UTC  

conflating agency and materialism is also rather poor

2018-11-10 20:26:27 UTC  

Can I ask you something

2018-11-10 20:26:29 UTC  

process philosophy can also easily be meshed with materialism

2018-11-10 20:26:31 UTC  

Why are you still talking

2018-11-10 20:28:41 UTC  

lol

2018-11-10 20:29:08 UTC  

Words, words, words and words alone.