Message from @Flare

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2018-12-05 19:28:50 UTC  

look what Mises said

2018-12-05 19:28:52 UTC  

"What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.
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2018-12-05 19:29:07 UTC  

@sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ Hitler was designated to serve as a catalyst to ramp up capitalist production. All of the German industrial tycoons of the time supported him, including many in the U.S. like Henry Ford.

Now tell me, why would Henry Ford give $20 million to a ‘socialist’. That’s the equivalent of Rupert Murdoch today donating $1 billion to a communist party.

2018-12-05 19:29:47 UTC  

All of Germany’s rich industrialists stood firmly behind Hitler and his attempts to revive stagnating capitalism through a war economy. Socialists are anti-war because socialists do not believe in borders

2018-12-05 19:30:24 UTC  

Read what I said

2018-12-05 19:30:30 UTC  

idk why they supported him, that was their policies

2018-12-05 19:31:29 UTC  

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2018-12-05 19:31:37 UTC  

doesn't matter

2018-12-05 19:31:40 UTC  

you need to see the policies

2018-12-05 19:31:47 UTC  

in no way was it capitalist

2018-12-05 19:31:48 UTC  

"doesn't matter"

2018-12-05 19:31:50 UTC  

yes

2018-12-05 19:32:43 UTC  

"""""doesn't matter""'" yes let's ignore the capitalist riches earned when the Nazis were in power, let's ignore the rampant support of capitalists to a supposed socialist party

2018-12-05 19:33:01 UTC  

National Socialism is only socialist in name

2018-12-05 19:33:21 UTC  

By this logic, the DPRK is fully democratic

2018-12-05 19:33:46 UTC  

Welfare is a capitalist invention

2018-12-05 19:37:49 UTC  

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2018-12-05 19:38:01 UTC  

i just trolled someone sos hard

2018-12-05 19:38:02 UTC  
2018-12-05 19:39:03 UTC  

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2018-12-05 19:39:03 UTC  

lol

2018-12-05 19:42:13 UTC  
2018-12-05 19:42:15 UTC  

Ill reply in a sec

2018-12-05 19:42:48 UTC  

Controlled forest fires are helpful I hear

2018-12-05 19:43:00 UTC  

At least from my science teacher last year

2018-12-05 19:43:39 UTC  

""""""doesn't matter""'" yes let's ignore the capitalist riches earned when the Nazis were in power, let's ignore the rampant support of capitalists to a supposed socialist party
National Socialism is only socialist in name
By this logic, the DPRK is fully democratic
Welfare is a capitalist invention
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2018-12-05 19:43:41 UTC  

So first of all

2018-12-05 19:43:59 UTC  

You have to read the thing I wrote on why national socialism was a form of socialism

2018-12-05 19:44:26 UTC  

can we get the proto-nazbol to weigh in

2018-12-05 19:44:40 UTC  

where is he

2018-12-05 19:44:46 UTC  

he usually shows up in these debates

2018-12-05 19:44:51 UTC  

Nazbol gang

2018-12-05 19:44:54 UTC  

nazbOL

2018-12-05 19:44:54 UTC  

rise up

2018-12-05 19:45:27 UTC  

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2018-12-05 19:45:29 UTC  

HAH LOL

2018-12-05 19:45:31 UTC  

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2018-12-05 19:46:00 UTC  

Rise up

2018-12-05 19:46:27 UTC  

epic

2018-12-05 19:46:34 UTC  

Ok

2018-12-05 19:46:39 UTC  

Capitalism is an individualist system, that's not something anyone can argue with and since socialism is collectivist and that Nazi Germany was a collectivist movement, there's no question that Hitler was a socialist. You can't say NAZI Germany wasn't collectivist but deny that Hitler was not using a form of socialism

-All day care and education were free. High schools were taken over by the government and college tuition was subsidized. Everyone was entitled to free handouts, such as food stamps, clothing, and housing.

-The tax rates were extremely high, high as 80% I believe.

-"As Ludwig Von Mises once correctly observed, the German economy under Hitler was not capitalist at all….

What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.
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-Privatisation was just in name as the state really owned the companies due to their regulation and such. The business "owners" would be told what to make, when to make and how much to make.

-Hitler Nationalised healthcare, churches, automobile industry, the press so he could control what people heard and watched.

-Hitler created trade unions such as the German Labour front.