Message from @HotmanX32

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2019-08-25 02:10:14 UTC  

if you make it illegal expect opposition

2019-08-25 02:10:34 UTC  

and guess who's the one that would have caused that opposition in the first place?

2019-08-25 02:10:37 UTC  

not the theists.

2019-08-25 02:11:33 UTC  

@Perception Why not? Christians, Jews, and Muslims have killed and raped people in the name of their gods.

2019-08-25 02:12:08 UTC  

And they still do it to this day under public notice.

2019-08-25 02:12:13 UTC  

humans have killed and raped people

2019-08-25 02:12:32 UTC  

its politics and shouldn't be surprising

2019-08-25 02:12:50 UTC  

humans still do it to this very day

2019-08-25 02:13:15 UTC  

what you say about theists is applicable to every human

2019-08-25 02:13:24 UTC  

@Perception Gods and Religions can't be held accountable for the crimes they pull?

2019-08-25 02:14:18 UTC  

That's like saying I get diplomatic immmunity for having people killed because I'm President.

2019-08-25 02:14:21 UTC  

religions are belief systems

2019-08-25 02:14:27 UTC  

they do not commit acts

2019-08-25 02:15:12 UTC  

you can believe in a belief system and do the act that this belief system calls for

2019-08-25 02:15:21 UTC  

@Perception But people *do* commit murder to suit their religious beliefs.

2019-08-25 02:15:23 UTC  

but then you are a follower of that belief system

2019-08-25 02:15:35 UTC  

you are not the entirety of the belief system embodied into one being

2019-08-25 02:15:57 UTC  

people commit murder to suit political beliefs

2019-08-25 02:16:08 UTC  

people commit mass shootings to suit ethnic beliefs

2019-08-25 02:16:15 UTC  

i dont see your point

2019-08-25 02:20:19 UTC  

@Perception Religion is not something people like you would see as some sort of criminal organization, meaning the crimes of Christianity/Judaism/Islam fly over people's heads and under the radar.

2019-08-25 02:22:05 UTC  

I just explained how the act of a self proclaimed believer is not the act of the belief system itself

2019-08-25 02:23:23 UTC  

If you abolish religion and worked to kill theists then that is your crime

2019-08-25 02:23:28 UTC  

not atheism

2019-08-25 02:23:43 UTC  

I'm agnostic.

2019-08-25 02:23:52 UTC  

its hypothetical

2019-08-25 02:26:20 UTC  

Anyway, I'm not out to kill theists. I'd rather have them arrested.

2019-08-25 02:26:41 UTC  

my point is that

2019-08-25 02:26:48 UTC  

what you do is not what your belief system does

2019-08-25 02:27:10 UTC  

because otherwise that justifies punishment of the many for the actions of the few

2019-08-25 02:27:41 UTC  

also agnosticism is a knowledge claim

2019-08-25 02:27:52 UTC  

you can be an agnostic atheist and still be militant anti-theist

2019-08-25 02:29:52 UTC  

But that doesn't stop me from having the theists arrested for the crimes they've tried to commit, now does it?

2019-08-25 02:30:15 UTC  

what crime did they commit?

2019-08-25 02:31:37 UTC  

Agnosticism, I think, is claiming one does not know

2019-08-25 02:31:54 UTC  

Pretty much the opposite of a knowledge claim

2019-08-25 02:32:05 UTC  

yes, its a knowledge claim so one can be agnostic atheist or agnostic theist

2019-08-25 02:32:25 UTC  

thats not what I mean by knowledge claim..

2019-08-25 02:32:25 UTC  

🆙 | **Perception leveled up!**

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2019-08-25 02:32:55 UTC  

What is a knowledge claim?

2019-08-25 02:33:42 UTC  

a claim about how certain one is about something @♠ Jokeward ♠