Message from @Fidel Castro

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2019-10-17 08:25:56 UTC  

yes but not for free

2019-10-17 08:26:02 UTC  

they had to trade for them

2019-10-17 08:26:06 UTC  

yes ofc

2019-10-17 08:26:22 UTC  

so what is the point you are trying to make

2019-10-17 08:26:33 UTC  

which is why i stated they just traded immense natural resources and human capital to obtain the capital to buy these things

2019-10-17 08:26:54 UTC  

that any system with the same resources couldve done the same at that time period

2019-10-17 08:27:13 UTC  

practically any system

2019-10-17 08:27:26 UTC  

well then how come a country like india that is rich with resources and human capital did not become superpower

2019-10-17 08:27:32 UTC  

like replace the soviet union with the polish government and you still probably see the same results

2019-10-17 08:27:48 UTC  

india was under colonialism

2019-10-17 08:28:01 UTC  

and their natural resources is far lower per capita

2019-10-17 08:28:52 UTC  

Siberia and the Caucasus represent near endless oil and coal

2019-10-17 08:29:15 UTC  

compare that to germany who had little oil but good quantities of coal and even they were gimped

2019-10-17 08:29:26 UTC  

italy who neither even more so

2019-10-17 08:29:32 UTC  

well it is true they had lots of natural resources but then explain how tsarist russia wasn't so powerful in their time

2019-10-17 08:29:38 UTC  

Britain only got by due to human capital of india

2019-10-17 08:29:55 UTC  

and how modern russia is way less powerful even than russia SFR

2019-10-17 08:30:16 UTC  

tsarist russia didnt exist in the post depression where the US was seeking to expand in exports through machine tools

2019-10-17 08:30:32 UTC  

and russia doesnt exist in pre opac world

2019-10-17 08:30:45 UTC  

and pre china world

2019-10-17 08:30:59 UTC  

you are putting to much emphasis on the US trading with USSR

2019-10-17 08:31:21 UTC  

They would have succeeded even if the US had closed off trade

2019-10-17 08:31:49 UTC  

LOL no

2019-10-17 08:32:02 UTC  

they declined because the world shut off trade

2019-10-17 08:32:09 UTC  

they collapsed because of it

2019-10-17 08:32:22 UTC  

no they collapsed due to revisionism

2019-10-17 08:32:28 UTC  

like im not saying Stalin didnt intelligent things

2019-10-17 08:32:53 UTC  

saying they collapsed due to revisionism is an ideologically and ahistorical viewpoint

2019-10-17 08:33:03 UTC  

like saying Rome fell due to christianity

2019-10-17 08:33:07 UTC  

its cringe

2019-10-17 08:33:18 UTC  

wrong. Capitalism was brought back to the USSR and class contradictions led to its fall

2019-10-17 08:33:35 UTC  

Yeltsin's coup was backed by the bourgeoisie

2019-10-17 08:33:56 UTC  

stalin did good things like actually build industrial bases rather than just relying on foreign production

2019-10-17 08:34:00 UTC  

but thats about it

2019-10-17 08:34:33 UTC  

dude it wasnt even capitalism and they literally just tried to decentralize cause they state couldnt bear its own weight

2019-10-17 08:34:41 UTC  

im not a large fan of capitalism

2019-10-17 08:34:57 UTC  

no gorbachev fucked the economy up with his privatisation reforms

2019-10-17 08:34:58 UTC  

but the soviet alterative was a neat experiment that failed at best

2019-10-17 08:35:07 UTC  

it was fucked before then

2019-10-17 08:35:18 UTC  

hell you can just read about the economic stratification

2019-10-17 08:35:27 UTC  

i'm a critic of the brezhnev era as well