Message from @Fidel Castro

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2019-10-17 08:20:18 UTC  

basically they just traded their human capital and land resources for imports of machine production

2019-10-17 08:20:31 UTC  

i don't see how

2019-10-17 08:20:40 UTC  

and created the infrastructure that supported their entire system through means we would deem unreasonable

2019-10-17 08:20:46 UTC  

how not?

2019-10-17 08:20:51 UTC  

read the links i posted

2019-10-17 08:20:51 UTC  

they built up the industrial sector through planning

2019-10-17 08:21:00 UTC  

they planned for imports

2019-10-17 08:21:20 UTC  

did you actually think they launched an industrial revolution that was purely native?

2019-10-17 08:21:30 UTC  

i mean sure some gulag labor was used but the vast majority would have been regular labor

2019-10-17 08:21:31 UTC  

their machine production was shipped from foreign countries

2019-10-17 08:21:47 UTC  

especially the US

2019-10-17 08:22:32 UTC  

the industrialization that they saw was nothing more than a product of them importing machine production, relocating labor and building mass infrastructure through immoral labor sources

2019-10-17 08:23:09 UTC  

the fall that they start seeing is when the source of those imports drop due to onset of the cold war

2019-10-17 08:23:23 UTC  

the soviet union could not support itself by native industry alone

2019-10-17 08:23:45 UTC  

dyno automod

2019-10-17 08:23:50 UTC  

youre using a banned word

2019-10-17 08:23:52 UTC  

hold up

2019-10-17 08:23:56 UTC  

what

2019-10-17 08:24:26 UTC  

lol say natsoc instead

2019-10-17 08:24:45 UTC  

a few words cause discords tos to flare up so we just have dyno remove em

2019-10-17 08:24:56 UTC  

n4zi is a banned word? cringe.

2019-10-17 08:25:20 UTC  

and the importation of machine tools occurred well before the lend lease on the onset of the 30s

2019-10-17 08:25:56 UTC  

yes but not for free

2019-10-17 08:26:02 UTC  

they had to trade for them

2019-10-17 08:26:06 UTC  

yes ofc

2019-10-17 08:26:22 UTC  

so what is the point you are trying to make

2019-10-17 08:26:33 UTC  

which is why i stated they just traded immense natural resources and human capital to obtain the capital to buy these things

2019-10-17 08:26:54 UTC  

that any system with the same resources couldve done the same at that time period

2019-10-17 08:27:13 UTC  

practically any system

2019-10-17 08:27:26 UTC  

well then how come a country like india that is rich with resources and human capital did not become superpower

2019-10-17 08:27:32 UTC  

like replace the soviet union with the polish government and you still probably see the same results

2019-10-17 08:27:48 UTC  

india was under colonialism

2019-10-17 08:28:01 UTC  

and their natural resources is far lower per capita

2019-10-17 08:28:52 UTC  

Siberia and the Caucasus represent near endless oil and coal

2019-10-17 08:29:15 UTC  

compare that to germany who had little oil but good quantities of coal and even they were gimped

2019-10-17 08:29:26 UTC  

italy who neither even more so

2019-10-17 08:29:32 UTC  

well it is true they had lots of natural resources but then explain how tsarist russia wasn't so powerful in their time

2019-10-17 08:29:38 UTC  

Britain only got by due to human capital of india

2019-10-17 08:29:55 UTC  

and how modern russia is way less powerful even than russia SFR

2019-10-17 08:30:16 UTC  

tsarist russia didnt exist in the post depression where the US was seeking to expand in exports through machine tools

2019-10-17 08:30:32 UTC  

and russia doesnt exist in pre opac world