Message from @Limedalek
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cold is nice
oh wow, so the really bad gulag camps that everyone hears about are for like Nazis and shit.
they'd make good iceblocks than for the starving citizens
serious criminals.
they were for enemies of the state, and prisoners
criminals
@Meta You do realize that it can get up to 100 degrees Fahrenheit in Siberia during the summer, right?
I'd like to go to siberia somday
i call bullshit @Deleted User
@Mitch You're an idiot.
is that supposed to be a good thing?
that means they have blazing heat as well.
what about the NKVD weren't they pretty harsh?
and didn't a lot of communists who apposed Stalin get considered 'enemies of the state'
@ajsbeast You're asking for a subjective value judgement.
if you were a "Trotskyist" or someone trying to overthrow the communist rule you also counted as an enemy of the state
the only cases of siberia getting warm is not the norm
''siberia getting warm is not the norm''
@Mitch It is universally warm in Siberia during the summer, and it hardly ever gets below 70 anywhere in that region.
why'd he run Trotsky out, even if he wasn't that bad of a guy, I still kinda liked Trotsky more.
wouldn't opposition just be a chance to show the people why you where correct.
Trotsky was an ugly Jew.
he deserved an icepick.
Trotsky probably would of grabbed his supporters and taken his position back
look at his face, bro. I would've had him killed, too.
Mother Russia wills it.
well, Lenin wanted him to have it. technically it belonged to Trotsky.
@ajsbeast Democratic Centralism = Freedom of Discussion, Unity of Action. Once a consensus has been reached, every member of the party is expected to abide by it. Trotsky formed an alliance with Bukharin and his Bloc of Rights, as well as a few others, in opposition to not only Stalin, but the entire Central Committee. He also lied about having done so. During that time he was heavily involved in underground propaganda work against the party line. He was an agitator and a splitter who had his day in court and failed to defend himself. Stalin actually asked multiple times to resign from his position as GS, but each time his requests were denied as he was not only adept at his job, but highly personable and well liked by most.
@ajsbeast Lenin also didn't want him as a successor. That's a common myth propagated by Trots who use Lenins final testament as proof, but nowhere does Lenin actually advocate for such an arrangement.
I didn't know Stalin actually tried to step down 4 times
well...
that says a lot about who he was
I can only find record of Bukharin apposing Trotsky.
wasn't Trotsky also cofounder of the Bolsheviks?
Nah, he joined in 1917
Yeah, Stalin wanted to be relieved of his duties, but all of his requests were denied by unanimous decision. Trotsky even voted against the motion at the 13th Congress, which speaks volumes imo.
Trotsky was a Menshevik who sided with the Bolsheviks later.
I'm getting closer to accepting Stalin as a good leader, but having a hard time saying Trotsky wouldn't have been.