Message from @Eastern Roman Empire
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slipping a pp into an annihole
i don't think anyone claims holodomor was "man-made", insofar as there was no effort to *create* the famine
but it was foreseen and neglected
Hitler's one ball
well, the most popular version is that harvest was even better than usual, but the gov was taking all the food away to sell it abroad and use the money for industrialisation
sounds neglectful
the nationalists here claim that it was an attempt to suppress freedom-loving Ukrainian people cuz they were the biggest threat to Stalin's regime lol
in fact, they say that it was a genocide
well was it really foreseeable or do you not believe it was
well, the drought played its role, but I think it wouldn't be that bad if most peasants were actually willing to work
you see, after 1917 all the land was turned into millions of small farms
obviously they couldn't produce as much grain as big farms did
But was it forseeable
I doubt that, it was caused by a ton of factors
Could you list the rest not mentioned?
obvious mismanagement, lack of livestock (people killed it to prevent kolkhozes from taking it), widespread infection of plants and stockpiles (workers weren't used to maintaining big stocks), rats and insects (same reason), too rapid industrialisation (too much workforce moved to the cities)
Interesting
How did the Soviet government react to all of this? Were any efforts or humanitarian given to those affected?
the USSR exported 750k tons of wheat in 1932, only 220k in 1933 and stopped exporting wheat in 1934.
in the first half of 1933 the Politburo had taken several decisions to help the starving regions, a total of 2.2m tons of grain sent there.
a special food bank was established to supply food to starving children, huge amount of food was donated by the Red Army command, etc. etc.
Interesting as well
though it does make me curious as to how if so many things were going on at once how the Soviet government didn't see the famine coming ahead of time
Yo, @S_5_fifstee whats up?
he went offline lol
He's not rolled as leader anymore and left the multi-party leader DM chat and left the Conservative-Fascist Embassy
He can at least explain why
seems like either impeachment or resigning
maybe we should ask @Papa Tarbear
He resigned and gave the conservative leader role to me
Nice
clear, thanks for the answer
@Marini well, here you are
Well then
You got the leasership you wanted @Papa Tarbear
@Marini I been way to unappreciated-ly busy with work, and also don’t really care for the new sim mechanics so I just decided to step down
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