Message from @Moltres

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Anarcho communism is using the workers revolution to directlybinstall a statless moneyless and classless society

2018-05-30 04:52:09 UTC  

Ah, yeah, in the classical sense it's definitely synonymous.

2018-05-30 04:52:41 UTC  

but "anarcho" implies that the state isn't present, or has minimal impact

Classless moneyless and **stateless**

If i were to be pedantic

2018-05-30 04:53:37 UTC  

I thought one of the main principals of communism that the state (workers) should control all property and the means of production

Ussr and china are not communist they are socialist or were socialist controlled by a communist party

2018-05-30 04:53:51 UTC  

And without a state this obviously can't happen

2018-05-30 04:54:14 UTC  

I should read capital again

2018-05-30 04:54:17 UTC  

it's been a while

Think of marxism like baking a cake

You need instructions

And the right ingredients

2018-05-30 04:54:40 UTC  

AnCom's don't believe the transitional stage of socioeconomic development succeeding capitalism and preceding Communism, i.e., Socialism, is necessary. They believe it is possible to go directly from the capitalist mode of production to full communism.

Maybe the baking tray is the state and dotp

But once thecake is done you can remove the tray

And now you have communism

The baking part is basically socialism

2018-05-30 04:55:51 UTC  

So ancom basically you don't cook the cake

2018-05-30 04:56:10 UTC  

directly from capitalism to full communism

You eat the ingredients raw because fuck rules those are hierarchial authorities

2018-05-30 04:56:28 UTC  

I don't think that would work but what would I know, I'm a centrist 🤔

Idk about you but raw eggs aint my thing

2018-05-30 04:57:07 UTC  

Yeah, AnCom's don't ascribe to scientific socialism, and although many of them to hate to admit it: they're utopian.

I dont hate anarchist i just think their theory doesnt account for capitalist encirlent

Also like imagine while your baking your cake someone comes in to sabotage it any way they can to prove your cake making technique will never work

That's basically imperialism

Poor molt

goes straight from arguing with white nationals to communists

2018-05-30 04:59:08 UTC  

I'm not arguing with them anymore

ik lol

2018-05-30 04:59:14 UTC  

I'm learning the ways of marxism

2018-05-30 04:59:21 UTC  

I don't think their theory accounts for capitalists period, when taken to it's logical conclusion that is. To think that the world will immediately go communist after a worldwide revolution is nothing more than a pipedream.

you just always surrounded by "extremists"

2018-05-30 04:59:46 UTC  

I mean

Tbh i like the cake analogy to socialism vs communism a lot xP

2018-05-30 05:00:46 UTC  

Nearly every time a communist state has been established there has been some sort of conflict before the state could actually be established

2018-05-30 05:00:47 UTC  

Lol

Yes moltres

I.e finland