Message from @Acrumen

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No i am a materialist i believe in material conditions driving things

2018-06-01 04:00:38 UTC  

Just treat everyone equally regardless

2018-06-01 04:00:51 UTC  

Until they give you reason to respect them or not respect rhem

@Grugochet because it is a part of thr superstructure that feeds into reactionary capitalist culture

It is not a material condition

2018-06-01 04:01:18 UTC  

@🌼Kalina🌹🌸🌹Zay🌹🌸🌹Scott🌼 what material conditions, these that don't exist from my relative perspective or the material conditions that encompass everything from another's perspective? :3

2018-06-01 04:01:30 UTC  

If we treated everyone as equals regardless of our thoughts of their group identity that wouldn't matter

2018-06-01 04:01:37 UTC  

Racism isnt capitalist its ignorance

So ownimg capital vs not owning capital is not a discrete division?

2018-06-01 04:01:50 UTC  

@Grugochet no one is equal and it is unethical to treat everyone equally

2018-06-01 04:02:00 UTC  

Oh no, people having things is bad

What is inbetween those two positions?

2018-06-01 04:02:05 UTC  

@🌼Kalina🌹🌸🌹Zay🌹🌸🌹Scott🌼 how can it be when it's relative?

2018-06-01 04:02:06 UTC  

That's true but you should treat everyone as 8ndividuals

2018-06-01 04:02:19 UTC  

Their group membership doesn't determine their value

2018-06-01 04:02:22 UTC  

Their actions do

Lotus is owning capital vs not owning capital a discrete division?

2018-06-01 04:02:26 UTC  

@🌼Kalina🌹🌸🌹Zay🌹🌸🌹Scott🌼 having capital is a spectrum there could be 3 classes or 3000, both are equally valid :3

2018-06-01 04:02:29 UTC  

Racism is bad

Like the atom there is the antithesis (electron) and thesis (proton) they create the synthesis (the atom.) in capitalism there are two classes the bourgeoisie who are the thesis and the proleteriat the Anthesis and they synthesize a new society. Smh

2018-06-01 04:04:18 UTC  

now listen up idiots, people of all races have an innate, instinctual preference for people who speak, look, and act like them, and will adjust their behavior accordingly and behave more warily around people of outside groups - to deny this is to deny the validity of ingroups and outgroups writ large, and in a way also denies the existence of the family as a natural biological and social structure. A tribe, or in more modern terms an ethnic group/race (which is an even broader category) can be thought of as extended family

2018-06-01 04:04:25 UTC  

Generalizing this hard

2018-06-01 04:04:27 UTC  

what of the people who make their own capital

2018-06-01 04:04:40 UTC  

what of those that neither make capital nor own production

2018-06-01 04:04:45 UTC  

so it would be unwise to force them to live together the way they are in modern America for example

2018-06-01 04:04:48 UTC  

what of those that do not exist in the system

2018-06-01 04:04:49 UTC  

etc

2018-06-01 04:04:50 UTC  

this can only result in conflict

2018-06-01 04:05:11 UTC  

People deserve to be treated as individuals

2018-06-01 04:05:14 UTC  

No matter what

You cannot be seperate from a global system that controls everything unless you are a feudalistic society or a socialist one.

2018-06-01 04:05:26 UTC  

@Grugochet I agree, but we have to do what's best for all of us

2018-06-01 04:05:44 UTC  

@Grugochet listen, people belong to groups whether you deny it or not

2018-06-01 04:05:45 UTC  

Whars best for all of us isnt to assume to worst of people

Making youre own capital only means you are becomkmg bourgeoisie and does not create a new class

2018-06-01 04:05:57 UTC  

They do belong to groups but the groups dont define them

2018-06-01 04:06:37 UTC  

Many of the qualities of groups are arbitrary as karde has said

2018-06-01 04:06:45 UTC  

and group membership, whether voluntary (party affiliation for example) or involuntary (sex, ethnicity for example) is a great determining factor in how they treat others and how others treat them and how they are thought of on a subconscious level

2018-06-01 04:07:09 UTC  

this is what makes society work - you don't treat everyone the same and make women fight the wars alongside the men

2018-06-01 04:07:14 UTC  

No it's not you're just using this to excuse your pejudice

No material conditions that drive ethnic differences