Message from @Marini

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2018-06-15 21:34:42 UTC  

Ok shoot

first of all Marx was influenced by Hegel's 'slave-master dialetic' which poses as kind of conflict

lets say you have a society with a slave and a master, the master gains their power from having the slave obedient

2018-06-15 21:35:27 UTC  

All I'm asking is who leads the military that defends the people?

but there comes a point of realization that **the slave doesn't need the master**

hence revolution and they attempt to get rid of the master

2018-06-15 21:35:50 UTC  

Ok so the master is gone now what?

marxists believe this is the driving force of all of history

2018-06-15 21:36:05 UTC  

Everything is free, who wants to work?

well untill all contradictions that arise for the 'master' power disappear

there will just arise a new one

for example feudalism was overthrown by the 'liberal' revolution

but they perserved private property that led to the rise of the capitalist class

2018-06-15 21:36:33 UTC  

So you're saying for communism to work

and the proleterian

2018-06-15 21:36:40 UTC  

The entire world has to be communist

2018-06-15 21:36:45 UTC  

With 0 opposition

2018-06-15 21:36:48 UTC  

and 0 leadership

2018-06-15 21:36:59 UTC  

because as soon as it recieves opposition there is no higher power to stop them from changing (to add onto marini)

2018-06-15 21:37:14 UTC  

There is no military to protect them

2018-06-15 21:37:23 UTC  

Because the generals would have too much power

Well this is where it comes into the fact that capitalists would try to destroy any 'communist society' let alone a 'socialist one;

2018-06-15 21:37:41 UTC  

And the military needs a leader to instruct them

2018-06-15 21:37:45 UTC  

Hence generals

2018-06-15 21:37:55 UTC  

as we currently understand, communism has no higher power to enforce communism or even defend communism

This is why marxists divide history into these periods 'primitive communims, slavery, feudalism, capitalism, socialism, and communism'

2018-06-15 21:37:59 UTC  

are we incorrect?

no because you don't let me finish

2018-06-15 21:38:09 UTC  

WHAT?

2018-06-15 21:38:09 UTC  

so we're not incorrect

2018-06-15 21:38:14 UTC  

well that's it then

2018-06-15 21:38:19 UTC  

nobody can defend communism in a communistic society

well you keep jumping to conclusions

2018-06-15 21:38:23 UTC  

and is therefore impossible

2018-06-15 21:38:24 UTC  

👏

before letting me explain anything

2018-06-15 21:38:26 UTC  

So communism has no leader and no protector

2018-06-15 21:38:30 UTC  

ffs

because it doesn't fucking require one

2018-06-15 21:38:34 UTC  

let them explain

2018-06-15 21:38:38 UTC  

So the ENTIRE world has to be communist