the condition communism arises is when the global socialist movement has destroyed capitalist states

and recreated the society of old

Perpetual Moral Imbalance - Today at 5:42 PM
is communism achievable if it is not global?
[CPGSA] Advocatus Diaboli - Today at 5:42 PM
no
[CPGSA] GoodVenerisLeftside - Today at 5:42 PM
that's not communism

it's akin to asking something like saying

"is it possible for labour theory of value to be valid if i create something without labour."

which i've had someone literally say to me before

it's a pointless question

because it doesn't account for why, how, or from where the communist society arises

if the entire world is not communist, is communism achievable?

your point is reductionist, you're not debating in good faith

i've yet to recieve a straight answer

if the entire world is not capitalist, is capitalism achievable? @Perpetual Moral Imbalance

you're talking about a single country that turned communist, i.e. without state, military and police, attacked by a capitalist nation, and when we say that's impossible, you say 'thanks for proving my point'

because it's reductionist

and i've explained **why** it's a pointless, and reductionist argument

yes, and at no point have i made claims to state capitalism is only possible if globally

please read the context of the discussion before jumping in

What's going on lads?

if the entire world is not communist, is communism achievable? [2]

i got them to admit that communism is unachievable scipio

*if not globally

@Perpetual Moral Imbalance don't ignore my question

nope

erin are you blind

yes, and at no point have i made claims to state capitalism is only possible if globally

yes, and at no point have i made claims to state capitalism is only possible if globally

yes, and at no point have i made claims to state capitalism is only possible if globally

yes, and at no point have i made claims to state capitalism is only possible if globally

yes, and at no point have i made claims to state capitalism is only possible if globally

just a little

we pointed out that your argument ignores the actual point of 'historical materialism'

are you not seeing the yes

might've missed it, there's a lot going on lmao, sorry

meanwhile, i've not gotten a yes/no from karde

if the entire world is not communist, is communism achievable?

@Perpetual Moral Imbalance your missing the point, the question is irrelevant to the argument

Capitalism relies on manipulating the working class of other, generally non capitalist nations. I would argue a global capitalism would not prevail.

it doesn't **show** communism to be impossible

i'd appreciate a yes or no, and a follow-up to explain your point

if the entire world is not communist, is communism achievable?

that's a huge leap in logic

you made