That's your fucking argument?

No

Did democrats cave on funding for obamacare when Cruz shutdown the government?

They would never cave

For something like funding the wall

you wouldn't need 60 votes because McConnell would've nuclear'd it to get out of the shutdown

And McConnel would never use the nuclear option

No he wouldnt

He said he's not doing it

And that is under his control

You think they would wait out a shutdown until Trump signs a bad bill?

You think they're that desperate to stop the wall?

McConnell is an old conservative, and you can't argue with that, he will make us all fall on the sword for his principles

He wouldn't use the nuclear option

Even if his entire party pressured him too

Nobody really has principles in he Senate

except the Mormon freaks

McConnell care about tradition

They're all bought

by lobbyists and the Koch Brothers

no principles

just Wall Street cash

So you're conceding that there is no real way you would've passed the wall, if the senators are all bought by people who don't support the wall

Never will or would've happened

I'm admitting it would've been difficult

but Trump could've fought and won

It's beyond difficult, it's impossible

Trump vs all that lobbying, 9 democrats and all senate republicans

Yeah no

Trump had the government to hold hostage

now he has nothing

no leverage,

no threats

So what? They would've passed it without him lol

he's toast

Override his veto if they needed too

Okay, there's the thing

McConell would never use the nuclear option

If they got it veto-proof, then it wouldn't have been Trump's fault

but that wasn't the case here

I'm pretty sure they would've rewritten the bill to compromise more for the democrats