Message from @Siriusly

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2019-04-15 12:17:58 UTC  

So once again
If we know what the sun is made of how does it not burn the atmosphere if it's inside it? Size wouldn't be an issue if you've ever seen nuclear fusion before.

2019-04-15 12:18:37 UTC  

there's lesssss "atmosphere" in/at HIGHER >> Altitudess
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2019-04-15 12:19:00 UTC  

Still enough heat to burn the lower altitudes
The sun is still *inside* the dome

2019-04-15 12:19:07 UTC  

Because we don't know the size of the sun or the distance of the sun, all those things are important to whether or not it would burn us.

2019-04-15 12:19:20 UTC  

I'm not talking about burning the surface

2019-04-15 12:19:31 UTC  

That's another matter entirely

2019-04-15 12:19:54 UTC  

And since clearly it doesn't, we can at least conclude that the sun is a rather small object

2019-04-15 12:20:35 UTC  

The sun has existed as long as earth has, don't you think something that incredibly bright and hot would have done some amount of damage if it were inside of an atmosphere?
With oxygen, nitrogen, helium, and other flammable gases?

2019-04-15 12:21:58 UTC  

Lightning strikes are literally plasma from electrical buildup alone and they can be devastating to their surroundings, while the return stroke is hotter than the sun they only stick around for a fraction of a fraction of a second, the sun's been around for much longer.

2019-04-15 12:22:01 UTC  

Clearly it didn't, which must mean that the sun isn't as "powerful" and huge as we're told. Furthermore, we can't know for sure how old the sun is, so your first sentence is an assumption

2019-04-15 12:22:18 UTC  

If the sun hasn't existed as long as the earth

2019-04-15 12:22:22 UTC  

How did it get there

2019-04-15 12:22:59 UTC  

I don't know, nobody *can* know because we can't directly observe it. Anyone who claims to know is making baseless assumptions that cannot be tested

2019-04-15 12:24:18 UTC  

So my first sentence is an assumption but so is literally any other statement about the flat earth sun

2019-04-15 12:24:26 UTC  

Or at least it's origin or age

2019-04-15 12:26:59 UTC  

Most of them are, yes. A lot of flat earthers are scientifically illiterate and try to come up with weird explanations themselves. Truth of the matter is, nobody can know for certain. The reason why I'm a flat earther is that the evidence for a spherical earth is very wobbly and based on assumptions at best. In that regard I simply apply occam's razor to the question and pick the most simple answer; namely facts what we *can* observe without the needs for assumptions, such as the earth remaining flat at high altitudes and laser experiments showing that there's no curvature whatsoever

2019-04-15 12:28:03 UTC  

I'd like to see those laser experiments tbh

2019-04-15 12:28:55 UTC  

Also thank you for giving actual answers to my legitimate questions
Even the mods here can't do that.

2019-04-15 12:31:14 UTC  

These guys made a series of laser experiments on different lakes to compensate for any differences in altitude, as well as accounting for refraction and whatnot

2019-04-15 12:33:05 UTC  

Did they compensate somehow for the small size?

2019-04-15 12:35:10 UTC  

More or less, IIRC they used a more exact approximation for the supposed earth's curvature rather than the Taylor Approximation used by civil engineering, so even at small distances *especially* they should get results well within the margin of error for approximations

2019-04-15 12:38:57 UTC  

25 miles is what they measured apparently?
That's not nearly enough, the round earth is massive and 25 miles is absolutely nothing compared to the whole.

2019-04-15 12:40:02 UTC  

Grr X (

2019-04-15 12:40:18 UTC  

i gave u friggn responses. You must not've liked 'em

2019-04-15 12:40:20 UTC  

I'm not wrong

2019-04-15 12:40:37 UTC  

You gave no evidence to back your statements

2019-04-15 12:40:43 UTC  

And not a single number

2019-04-15 12:40:51 UTC  

Yes, but with precise laser experiments you ought to find a curvature *for* those 25 miles. It would be a small one, but a curvature nonetheless.

2019-04-15 12:41:19 UTC  

The curvature would likely be too small to measure with such a short distance

2019-04-15 12:41:40 UTC  

It would be more probmatic to actually measure over longer distances since the margin of error would increase to a point where you can't be sure about your measurements anymore

2019-04-15 12:42:40 UTC  

Technically it would be possible given enough time and money but no one cares enough about what the earth is shaped like to spend millions on a project like that.

2019-04-15 12:43:20 UTC  

With the equipment used in the above test raising the distance would definitely throw in unknown variables but it's that or not enough distance.
Either way the experiment is flawed

2019-04-15 12:45:20 UTC  

Also keep in mind, at 25 miles we would expect about 400 feet of curvature when using the Taylor approximation, and for 25 feet the approximation itself is perfectly fine

2019-04-15 12:46:24 UTC  

Taylor approximation?

2019-04-15 12:46:36 UTC  

Mhm

2019-04-15 12:46:39 UTC  

Hold on

2019-04-15 12:54:42 UTC  

Here, this website adequately explains how the formula is derived using Taylor approximation

2019-04-15 16:01:04 UTC  

Earth ain't flat