Message from @Citizen Z

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2018-12-27 06:49:32 UTC  

See the building you are closer to becomes less reasolvable than the building further away

2018-12-27 06:49:54 UTC  

Satan never could understand optics

2018-12-27 06:49:58 UTC  

🤗

2018-12-27 06:50:53 UTC  

I'm gonna have to continue this in a bit I gotta get back to work

2018-12-27 06:52:00 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/484516084846952451/527740418432040960/502382332.jpg

2018-12-27 06:52:13 UTC  

In the meantime what's the distance that is required for a ship to fully disappear relative to its height

2018-12-27 06:53:29 UTC  

5 ft at about 15000 feet

2018-12-27 06:54:12 UTC  

Which means you lose objects at 5ft tall at about 3 miles

2018-12-27 06:54:49 UTC  

K cya

2018-12-27 07:09:29 UTC  

Why do we never use binoculars or telescopes to spot the object when it gets away

2018-12-27 07:16:25 UTC  

You can go try it

2018-12-27 07:16:32 UTC  
2018-12-27 07:17:49 UTC  

Z what would you say the distance is when we see no further
Like at what distance the object disappears and our eyes reach vanishing point

2018-12-27 07:19:15 UTC  

5 foot tall object will be mostly gone with human eye at around 3 mile

2018-12-27 07:19:34 UTC  

Okay

2018-12-27 07:19:55 UTC  

And it doesn't need to obstructed by anything? Our vision just reaches it limit?

2018-12-27 07:20:18 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/484516084846952451/527747540767211522/Angular_Resolution_03_v002_1.webp

2018-12-27 07:20:24 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/484516084846952451/527747565114884106/Screenshot_20181226-231955_Gallery.jpg

2018-12-27 07:21:05 UTC  

Our vision has a limit yes

2018-12-27 07:21:33 UTC  

Globe model says its earth obstructing

2018-12-27 07:21:43 UTC  

Flat model says its our vision and the way light works

2018-12-27 07:21:50 UTC  

Ok

2018-12-27 07:21:54 UTC  

Cameras work the same as our eyes

2018-12-27 07:22:01 UTC  

They have limits also

2018-12-27 07:26:30 UTC  

The further an object (i.e. boat, building mountain) gets away from the lens, the angular separation will continue to close until the light blurs together and eventually becomes a line or point or edge"

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/484516084846952451/527749098992959488/Airy_disk_spacing_near_Rayleigh_criterion-4.png

2018-12-27 07:26:55 UTC  

Eventually the points of light all merge and appear as just a line on the horizon

2018-12-27 08:30:28 UTC  

I'm back

2018-12-27 08:30:43 UTC  

One more clarification hun

2018-12-27 08:31:09 UTC  

Yes?

2018-12-27 08:31:38 UTC  

By 0.02 degrees you mean the difference in angle between the top of the object and the surface of the sea, right?

2018-12-27 08:32:16 UTC  

I mean the angle at which the photons are traveling to the eye

2018-12-27 08:33:09 UTC  

So you look at your feet then look to horizon ehatever you dont see is because of that angle of light

2018-12-27 08:34:16 UTC  

Yeah but the eye can't differentiate between photons that hit at an angle that is has less than 0.02 degrees of difference?

2018-12-27 08:34:42 UTC  

That's why things merge together?

2018-12-27 08:34:49 UTC  

No if its at .02 degrees then the eye has lost it

2018-12-27 08:35:03 UTC  

What

2018-12-27 08:35:12 UTC  

Little rods and cones in the back of the eye

2018-12-27 08:35:32 UTC  

Cant see anything at the resolution

2018-12-27 08:35:49 UTC  

I'm not following

2018-12-27 08:37:00 UTC  

This is how angular resolution works physically in the eye.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459802853524111361/1_EN.png
Cameras work the same way.
The cones of the retina is a zoom in of the eye. If the angular size of the target is not enough to activate more than a single cones/sensor the object is unresolvable.
There are 3 ways to decrease angular separation.
1. Move the two separate targets further or closer together.
2.Increase the distance.
3. Change the angle of view.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459805458644074511/angseperation.jpg

First here is a demonstration of how angle of view changes the angular separation of 2 targets. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459806914331541504/unknown.png

For example in this image, as the stop sign's angular size shrinks from distance or angle, the image that prjected onto the retina also shrinks. Eventually it will reach such as small size the eye can not physically detect the light. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459808085436006410/refraction_cornea.png
A geometric analogy would be closing a pair of scissors. When the scissor tips are closer together than the spacing between the rods and cones of the eye then you get to see the target. The point where the tips cross from too close to normal vision is the angular resolution.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459817803038326784/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459818062858682368/65116694_resized550bbc_sg_g4_eye.png
When the angle of view becomes to much it pretty much goes parallel, but you lose sight of the ground before that. It's the same on the globe too but even worse because the angle of view is increasing quicker because of the curving away of the ball surface.