Message from @pretextos

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2019-03-16 01:22:14 UTC  

I see

2019-03-16 01:22:30 UTC  

unfortunately anarchism differs from most ideologies in that it doesn't use violence as enforcement

2019-03-16 01:22:33 UTC  

only as self defense

2019-03-16 01:22:44 UTC  

which means that to get to anarchism, you have to have people willing to opt into it

2019-03-16 01:22:50 UTC  

rather than a violent takeover

2019-03-16 01:22:58 UTC  

Also how would you guys agree on which kind of anarchism to use? since you said you all have different views of anarchism

2019-03-16 01:23:16 UTC  

generally speaking, anarchism allows people to live how they please, provided you don't harm others

2019-03-16 01:23:32 UTC  

so in practice there will realistically be a variety of different optional structures people use

2019-03-16 01:23:47 UTC  

but the main guiding factor that will be followed is whatever means were used to arrive at anarchism

2019-03-16 01:24:00 UTC  

so in the model I support, it'd be a gradual reduction of reliance on government and capitalism

2019-03-16 01:24:06 UTC  

and a switch to the system I talk about and advocate for

2019-03-16 01:24:31 UTC  

the model I support is generally more resiliant to attacks and attempts at takedowns as well

2019-03-16 01:24:43 UTC  

so if you take down only a part, the rest will work around that automatically due to how it's structured

2019-03-16 01:24:57 UTC  

so to take down an anarchist society that I describe, you'd have to take down the whole thing at once

2019-03-16 01:25:00 UTC  

since it wouldn't be centralized

2019-03-16 01:25:02 UTC  

So how do you plan on convincing people to follow anarchism?

2019-03-16 01:25:23 UTC  

a better way of living

2019-03-16 01:25:36 UTC  

people already stray towards anarchism when capitalist systems fail

2019-03-16 01:25:50 UTC  

if they can't afford food they "steal". instead of buying tv and movies and music they just pirate them

2019-03-16 01:26:02 UTC  

if they can't afford a home they squat

2019-03-16 01:26:25 UTC  

I see

2019-03-16 01:26:27 UTC  

poor people, on average, are much more supportive of leftist resource distribution, which can really help facilitate anarchism

2019-03-16 01:26:41 UTC  

this is why anarchists and communists typically work together

2019-03-16 01:27:08 UTC  

so while an anarchist is *opposed* to a central authority providing healthcare for all, we see it as superior because it's a way of opting out of the capitalist model of buying healthcare

2019-03-16 01:27:22 UTC  

So what if both anarchists and communists rose to power worldwide together?

2019-03-16 01:27:35 UTC  

that's the other big struggle within anarchist politics

2019-03-16 01:27:36 UTC  

how would it be possible to defend from the communists?

2019-03-16 01:27:39 UTC  

it's happened a few times now

2019-03-16 01:27:48 UTC  

where both work together to achieve an egalitarian society

2019-03-16 01:28:00 UTC  

and then the communists afterwards oppress anarchists to push their model of government

2019-03-16 01:28:15 UTC  

usually communism at that point then turns into a dictatorship, is corrupted, and ends up with capitalism again

2019-03-16 01:28:21 UTC  

So this happened in soviet russia?

2019-03-16 01:28:33 UTC  

this is why the "overthrowing the state alongside anarchists" never works

2019-03-16 01:28:37 UTC  

right

2019-03-16 01:28:49 UTC  

you can see it wherever communists start getting power

2019-03-16 01:29:02 UTC  

anarchists support because the progress is beneficial to us

2019-03-16 01:29:08 UTC  

and then communists fuck everyone over once in power

2019-03-16 01:29:36 UTC  

this is why I'm supportive of "weening off" the reliance of state+capitalism

2019-03-16 01:29:41 UTC  

Also, how would you explain the opposing of the leftist ideologies in Russia nowadays?

2019-03-16 01:29:43 UTC  

rather than trying to overpower and overthrow it from the inside

2019-03-16 01:30:00 UTC  

right so in russia what had happened was that communists got into power