Message from @April

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2019-03-16 01:46:14 UTC  

the hardware for the internet is still reliant on the statist+capitalist one, but mesh networks are being built that avoid that

2019-03-16 01:46:30 UTC  

and I mentioned earlier about electricity and solar power and all that

2019-03-16 01:46:38 UTC  

If no one owns anything, how would internet work?

2019-03-16 01:47:03 UTC  

it's a complicated question

2019-03-16 01:47:27 UTC  

so as it stands the anarchist idea of using things that exist, is that people should be free to use them if they please and see fit

2019-03-16 01:47:36 UTC  

so building systems around that is the goal

2019-03-16 01:47:54 UTC  

a modern day example would be those bikes and cars you pay to use and then park when you're done and someone else can pay and use them

2019-03-16 01:48:07 UTC  

or something like public transportation

2019-03-16 01:48:13 UTC  

I see

2019-03-16 01:48:15 UTC  

just remove the payment models and pretend no one owns them

2019-03-16 01:48:43 UTC  

for the internet, it's structured using routers and wires/wireless connections

2019-03-16 01:48:49 UTC  

and then we have individual devices connect to it

2019-03-16 01:48:58 UTC  

so basically we've have nodes, similar to how cell towers are

2019-03-16 01:49:02 UTC  

that anyone can connect to

2019-03-16 01:49:12 UTC  

and those nodes would connect to each other in a decentralized/distributed way

2019-03-16 01:49:28 UTC  

the structure of the network is called a mesh network

2019-03-16 01:49:34 UTC  

there's no central authority to ask where to route the packets

2019-03-16 01:49:50 UTC  

so if one node goes bad, the system still works

2019-03-16 01:50:01 UTC  

And if someone steals the car? would that be considered "hurting anarchism" and you guys would use violence to get the car back?

2019-03-16 01:50:03 UTC  

likewise, since it's a share system, people have more incentive to keep it running

2019-03-16 01:50:26 UTC  

well the concept of "stealing" isn't a thing in anarchism

2019-03-16 01:50:31 UTC  

so say someone takes the car and uses it

2019-03-16 01:50:35 UTC  

they drive it somewhere

2019-03-16 01:50:40 UTC  

eventually they will get out of the car

2019-03-16 01:50:45 UTC  

and when they do, someone else may use it

2019-03-16 01:50:51 UTC  

the only way to prevent that is physical violence

2019-03-16 01:51:06 UTC  

at which point we arrive at the "how do you prevent opposing ideologies from attacking"

2019-03-16 01:51:32 UTC  

so some anarchists have gotten the idea to *use* capitalist systems to help enforce anarchism

2019-03-16 01:51:37 UTC  

So someone takes a gun and says "well i control this land now and if you dont like it you die"

2019-03-16 01:51:38 UTC  

at least for the time being

2019-03-16 01:51:43 UTC  

right

2019-03-16 01:51:46 UTC  

that's how capitalism functions

2019-03-16 01:51:52 UTC  

you basically have to threaten the person

2019-03-16 01:52:04 UTC  

Which is against anarchism?

2019-03-16 01:52:07 UTC  

in today's society we abstract that threat

2019-03-16 01:52:19 UTC  

we go "if you dont' get off my land, I'll call the police who will then hurt you"

2019-03-16 01:52:30 UTC  

right

2019-03-16 01:52:54 UTC  

so how some anarchists go about fixing this problem is by owning things under capitalism, but then making access anarchistic

2019-03-16 01:53:04 UTC  

in copyright terms this is called "copyleft"

2019-03-16 01:53:24 UTC  

the idea is that using the copyright system they say that anyone can use it, but they *must* also adopt the copyleft model

2019-03-16 01:53:51 UTC  

for copyrighted works and software it works well, since anyone who uses it then provides their changes for everyone else