Message from @Goldsteel

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2018-09-14 05:05:07 UTC  

It's just that instrumentation has got a lot better so we don't really have to simplify the controllers too much

2018-09-14 05:05:14 UTC  

I wonder how many spaceships I could run

2018-09-14 05:05:22 UTC  

<:GWbruhGalaxyThink:405065193287319552>

2018-09-14 05:05:27 UTC  

Sometimes, the error on additional corrections isnt needed at low altitude because your percentage error is too low

2018-09-14 05:05:30 UTC  

However

2018-09-14 05:05:40 UTC  

PID controllers have an accumulated error and need correcting

2018-09-14 05:05:49 UTC  

What if you only fire a rocket for 20 minutes?

2018-09-14 05:05:56 UTC  

What would that cumulative error mean?

2018-09-14 05:06:04 UTC  

Does your maneuver need to be that specific?

2018-09-14 05:06:06 UTC  

Absolutely not

2018-09-14 05:06:27 UTC  

That's why we don't simulate things in absolute detail

2018-09-14 05:07:05 UTC  

We even used sextants and classical mechanics on the way to the moon

2018-09-14 05:07:12 UTC  

Okay so, we simplify physics in some cases because we don't need to calculate everything?

2018-09-14 05:07:14 UTC  

You could calculate the spacetime curvature in GR

2018-09-14 05:07:16 UTC  

But you don't need to

2018-09-14 05:07:21 UTC  

Yeah

2018-09-14 05:07:31 UTC  

It's kinda laziness then?

2018-09-14 05:07:32 UTC  

That's the jist of it

2018-09-14 05:07:40 UTC  

Well, think of it this way

2018-09-14 05:07:47 UTC  

Diminishing returns on investment

2018-09-14 05:08:03 UTC  

You could correct all the problems but if they're not really problems because you don't need the precision why bother?

2018-09-14 05:08:13 UTC  

Okay that makes sense

2018-09-14 05:08:29 UTC  

"One is an analytical approach using a flat-Earth approximation to predict geopotential information quality as a function of spatial wavelength."

2018-09-14 05:08:37 UTC  

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

2018-09-14 05:09:06 UTC  

Could you sum up why this paper isn't FE proof like in a sentence or two?

2018-09-14 05:09:25 UTC  

I'd try but I'm a little lost reading your simplification

2018-09-14 05:09:48 UTC  

He basically summed it up with the satellite statement he made initially

2018-09-14 05:10:51 UTC  

It's a FE proof which requires space and satalities

2018-09-14 05:11:00 UTC  

<:thonk:485324336874651650>

2018-09-14 05:11:46 UTC  

1. We use a lot of approximations in controllers
2. Assuming a flat stationary non-rotating plane is a decent approximation.
3. Experiments report cumulative error
4. Large experimental errors are telltale of large appoximation components.
5. It's a satellite in orbit. Contradicts the point.
6. Most papers quote their approximations.

2018-09-14 05:12:31 UTC  

For information gathering purposes, a flat plane with all data directly displayed in relation to its surroundings makes for an easier and more efficient system. The plane contains only about 30% of the known area of the earth, and the paper specifically cites the cases and reasons for why the Flat model used has situational advantages over a spherical or elliptical model. It is not an FE proof.

2018-09-14 05:12:37 UTC  

If using satellites to prove the earth is required then you've accidentally accepted that sallites are real and in orbit

2018-09-14 05:12:42 UTC  

So you'd have to reconcile that too

2018-09-14 05:12:53 UTC  

Orbit in turn demands gravity

2018-09-14 05:13:15 UTC  

If satellites were balloons they wouldn't call it an approximation

2018-09-14 05:13:28 UTC  

It would just be the flight controller algorithm

2018-09-14 05:13:56 UTC  

The papers would instead be all about controlling lighter than air objects in winds

2018-09-14 05:14:07 UTC  

*They're not*

2018-09-14 05:14:30 UTC  

Which has nothing to do with the shape of the earth.

2018-09-14 05:14:34 UTC  

🤔

2018-09-14 05:14:34 UTC  

Exactly