Message from @Σ5

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2018-10-03 02:04:02 UTC  

it's a nessesary outcome of the equations

2018-10-03 02:04:25 UTC  

but that interaction isn't of the same scale/product as what we are talking about....

2018-10-03 02:04:27 UTC  

o/

2018-10-03 02:04:52 UTC  

your logic is flawed @Σ5 "stuff" don't just interact and explain away the entire point of an experinment.....

2018-10-03 02:04:53 UTC  

so you dont believe in the uncertainty principle J?

2018-10-03 02:05:12 UTC  

never really read into it to my knowning; link?

2018-10-03 02:05:16 UTC  

it's not flawed logic if the equations literally predict it

2018-10-03 02:05:45 UTC  

how do you know about the double slit exspeariment and not the uncertainty principle?

2018-10-03 02:06:08 UTC  

the point of the experement was done before we had an understanding of quantum theiry

2018-10-03 02:06:10 UTC  

but your asuming the interaction as a process is the cause not as an after fact; as in there is no phisical interaction but a logical interaction

2018-10-03 02:06:10 UTC  

@dumblebore 🌈 You couldn't pay me to read the NYT

2018-10-03 02:06:47 UTC  

there is a physical interaction

2018-10-03 02:07:11 UTC  

the uncertainy principle says there is sets of complimary information, the most famous being speed and position, that the more you know about 1 the less you can know about the other

2018-10-03 02:08:01 UTC  

the act of measuring is applying an interaction onto the particle

2018-10-03 02:08:22 UTC  

but thats an assumption; unless you know the sensor lense is directly filtering and augmenting the partical how can you say.... nobody as ever even spoke about this X factor you say negates the whole thing... litterally dozens of scientists have spoken about this and non act like oh ya our sensor fucks with the light and creates this outcome....

2018-10-03 02:08:34 UTC  

A Law of quantum mechanics is that information cannot be created, duplicated or destroyed

2018-10-03 02:09:06 UTC  

the act of measuring without interacting will violate that law

2018-10-03 02:10:13 UTC  

but your asuming the product of interaction is the cause of what we see when it could just be a %2 decreese in speed or a 1% reflection of bounce etc idk but i don't think they'd use a sensor that is designed to produce the result they are trying to find inspite of adding interfearence

2018-10-03 02:11:03 UTC  

it'd be like me trying to test bullet proof glass and buying grenads....

2018-10-03 02:11:15 UTC  

it could but then quantum particles like a photon doesn't work like that

2018-10-03 02:11:58 UTC  

quantum particles have set states not a continuous spectrum

2018-10-03 02:12:19 UTC  

like spindown or spinup

2018-10-03 02:13:11 UTC  

if you had a larger chunk of particles like a baseball then that would apply

2018-10-03 02:13:45 UTC  

....your not getting what i'm saying here @Σ5 unless you know the structure of the sensor you can't say its interaction is the product of what we see. When the entire point of the outcome was that the element of a "logical" innate observer changes the product of reality. if what your saying was true then all the papers etc would have nothing to do with any of those terms and it would just be "lense/sensory" shifts wave interferince pattern to scatter array.

2018-10-03 02:13:48 UTC  

because you are interacting still with a finite number of particles but a fraction of it

2018-10-03 02:14:47 UTC  

the reality doesn't change

2018-10-03 02:15:09 UTC  

It's like saying the reality changes when something exists

2018-10-03 02:15:54 UTC  

the sensor effects the wave function

2018-10-03 02:16:09 UTC  

nessesarily

2018-10-03 02:16:27 UTC  

it's a logical outcome of the equations

2018-10-03 02:16:29 UTC  

do me a favor and watch this.... i'm honestly at a point where i think your thinking from something else

2018-10-03 02:16:31 UTC  
2018-10-03 02:16:38 UTC  

#NoSpace #NeverEverEverExpanding

2018-10-03 02:16:49 UTC  

I know what the double slit experement is

2018-10-03 02:17:02 UTC  

It's explained by the equations

2018-10-03 02:17:29 UTC  
2018-10-03 02:17:37 UTC  

the equations predict that the sensor modifies the wave function

2018-10-03 02:18:12 UTC  

I know what the double slit experement is.
It's explained by the equations.
the equations predict that the sensor modifies the wave function.

2018-10-03 02:18:17 UTC  

o god

2018-10-03 02:18:18 UTC  

not that

2018-10-03 02:18:51 UTC  

i remember the animation was horrifing