I believe from today's nationalist perspective (levelling of population according to linguistic/political loyalties) that people don't really understand the old Hellenic spirit

Yes, Hellenes too, identified themselves according to language, but no ONLY language

Otherwise they would not consider Macedons to be foreigners

To Spartans for example, mere demagogy meant little

For example, today's Italy can consider Rome it's predecessor, but that is quite conditional - Rome is something to look up to, not something to consider your "national" heritage per se, since every nation is made up from multiple social layers

If you don't uphold values or spirit of Rome, then in what can one find your "allegiance" to Rome? You mere bourgeoisie fascination with Roman art, or intrigues?

Agreed. It is absolutely fine to consider themselves admirers of antiquity, but the moment they begin to identify as the descendants and necessary posterity of those times they begin to break down their legitimacy. At that point where they assume the *racial* mantles of age-old empires they've lost it.

We have so much evidence for population admixture, selection, dysgenics, mutation, and so on that they're just deluding themselves and wasting everyone's times.

No civilization resurfaces in same way or same time

The torch is always carried by the other, which takes the path of emergence, strenghtening

Just as Greece passed torch to Rome, Rome to Franks, Franks to Germans, Germans to Englishmen etc

Obviously there were multiple strong civilizations

Whichever starts selecting for exellency, quality over quantity, get's to carry the torch

Look how many excellent men today, of merit and virtue, marry complete imbeciles today

That's a dysgenic involution of modern times

@The Enlightened Shepherd yes you can notice that in roman portraiture

if you saw augustus on th estreet, you would still recognize him

same with portraits of hellenic era figures

the "classical" ones are not realistic and emphasized

moreover most of the roman emperors were not southern italians but central to northern in descent

so they don't look like "italian" people you see in the US

most of whom are sicilians (who are mostly greek wth lots of north african arab/moor ancestry)

evne someone like titus who looks italian as fuck

http://www.accla.org/images/titus.jpg

he has the euro hairline

Hariline was just a stylized image

It's obvious

well a mix of the m shape and more mediterranean/african image

yes

i nterms of his recession

rarely has any northern person has that curly hair

he is not northern

he looks like a latinate plane italian

take gaius marius for example

he looks like someone who could be from the balkans

gaius marius is obviously from nothern italiy

just looking at him

the same aiwth augustus. caesar lokos more central italy

Germanicus looks like a Frenchman of today

constantine is balkan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great

fahter looks super balkan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantius_Chlorus