Doing just fine.

Read and be mad tbh.

lol

One of the funnier parts is that he knows of dysgenics and acknowledges it for other countries but *not* Greece. He said Greece was dumber due to leading less but when the news showed they read more than previous generations he just denied the news was right.

wew Greece!

Yeah it was kind of a nothing burger argument.

http://www.pnas.org/content/113/28/7774.short

(2016) Beauchamp finds evidence for contemporary genetic selection in the United States.

The majority of this natural selection is negative: IQ is decreasing, health is worsening, diseases are becoming more pronounced and pervasive, stature is falling, menarche is ocurring earlier, and predispositions to obesity are growing.

RIP

@HonorVirtutisPraemium What was that debate about, regarding Greek population

That it has undergone selection just as every other population.

I was saying that there is not perfect continuity between the ancient and modern Greeks because of a variety of mechanisms including genetic drift, population admixture, fertility differentials (included in g-drift), mutation, copy-number variation, and more. There's no possibility that they're the same or - at that - better.

It's obvious

Not only is selection for weakness combined with servility emphasized, but strong and autonomous carry an increasing burden

As for ancient Greeks, I certainly believe, unlike 99% of racial anthropologists (well, every true anthropology is raciaL) that ancient greek statues WERE NOT the accurate representation of overall greek populace

Even though they were certainly inspired by individuals of such constitution who lived among greeks

The busts of real personalities in Greece, like Aristotle or Plato, show persons with less emphasized nordic characteristics

While in Rome, a more realistic, mixed appearances are shown

Sulla with a more northern appearance, Trajan with less northern appearance etc

The outright denial of any sort of genetic shift in Greece over time is outrageous. I can't stand typical Greek nationalists for this reason. This person I was """debating""" earlier refused to acknowledge the validity of sources and similarly refused to supply rebuttals, instead stating that I didn't know anything, used strawmen, or used ad hominem even when I didn't. It was too much, too ignorant!

It's almost laughable how they fucked up.

I believe from today's nationalist perspective (levelling of population according to linguistic/political loyalties) that people don't really understand the old Hellenic spirit

Yes, Hellenes too, identified themselves according to language, but no ONLY language

Otherwise they would not consider Macedons to be foreigners

To Spartans for example, mere demagogy meant little

For example, today's Italy can consider Rome it's predecessor, but that is quite conditional - Rome is something to look up to, not something to consider your "national" heritage per se, since every nation is made up from multiple social layers

If you don't uphold values or spirit of Rome, then in what can one find your "allegiance" to Rome? You mere bourgeoisie fascination with Roman art, or intrigues?

Agreed. It is absolutely fine to consider themselves admirers of antiquity, but the moment they begin to identify as the descendants and necessary posterity of those times they begin to break down their legitimacy. At that point where they assume the *racial* mantles of age-old empires they've lost it.

We have so much evidence for population admixture, selection, dysgenics, mutation, and so on that they're just deluding themselves and wasting everyone's times.

No civilization resurfaces in same way or same time

The torch is always carried by the other, which takes the path of emergence, strenghtening

Just as Greece passed torch to Rome, Rome to Franks, Franks to Germans, Germans to Englishmen etc

Obviously there were multiple strong civilizations

Whichever starts selecting for exellency, quality over quantity, get's to carry the torch

Look how many excellent men today, of merit and virtue, marry complete imbeciles today

That's a dysgenic involution of modern times

@The Enlightened Shepherd yes you can notice that in roman portraiture

if you saw augustus on th estreet, you would still recognize him

same with portraits of hellenic era figures

the "classical" ones are not realistic and emphasized